Thanks a lot Ron, it was clearly a really nice response.
You leave in no doubt about using between cpu and ssh.
I would like to try to do it now, but it semms to me that i have
authentication problems from terminal, because when i try to do cpu(1)
command from terminal (log in as Armando) i got not
NFS4 still assumes that a file handle can be used to
find a file; neither the persistent nor the volatile
variants are directly comparable to a Qid and both can
complicate implementation. (at least a volatile file handle
allows a file system implementation not based on inodes to be
done more easil
> Thanks a lot Ron, it was clearly a really nice response.
> You leave in no doubt about using between cpu and ssh.
> I would like to try to do it now, but it semms to me that i have
> authentication problems from terminal, because when i try to do cpu(1)
> command from terminal (log in as Armando)
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:11 PM, sqweek wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have two measurements of success:
>>> a) what keeps me working on Plan 9 relat
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:58 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is not needed with nedmail, since nedmail
> has a prompt, while ed does not.
Presumably at some point someone leveraged some code that looked for
'!'; is there a reason to remove it? Oh God, somebody punch me; I'm
s
This is a bit more mundane than recent discussions, but I
noticed that the ms macros contain this
.ie h .ll \\n(LLu
.el \{\
.ll 5.0i
.if n .if \\n(TN .ll 29
.if t .if \\n(TN .ll 3.5i \}
as part of .de TL. What is '.ie h'? I thought the only single character
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Steve Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An Intel Atom D945GCLF mini ITX was reccomended to me, I believe
> it is all supported by plan9 and draws very little power. I was
> going to use one to replace a large noise server I have at home.
>
> They also have a new du
First off, thank you so much, sqweek. When someone on 9fans tries to put
things in terms of basic abstract ideas instead of technical ones I really
appreciate it--I actually learn something. By the way, it is very
interesting how a technical question can be sublimated into a
Gedankenexperiment
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Gregory Pavelcak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a bit more mundane than recent discussions, but I
> noticed that the ms macros contain this
>
>.ie h .ll \\n(LLu
>.el \{\
>.ll 5.0i
>.if n .if \\n(TN .ll 29
>.if t .if \\n(
I have the same in lib/ndb/auth, i think google doesn't read the equal
sign "=" from here, i don't know how you did it..
I don't understand very well what do you mean with "as their root
filesystem", but if you mean the bootargs line in the plan9.ini, they
have the same bootargs line, otherwise i
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Steve Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An Intel Atom D945GCLF mini ITX was reccomended to me, I believe
> it is all supported by plan9 and draws very little power. I was
> going to use one to replace a large noise server I have at home.
Nice, but I'm envisioning
> % ed file
> !echo hello
> hello
> !
>
> It tells the user that execution has finished.
this is not needed with nedmail, since nedmail
has a prompt, while ed does not.
- erik
thank you all. Really appreciate your help.
An Intel Atom D945GCLF mini ITX was reccomended to me, I believe
it is all supported by plan9 and draws very little power. I was
going to use one to replace a large noise server I have at home.
They also have a new dual core version though I think it has less
useful I/O for my needs.
http://www.t
>I am using a Dell Latitude CPx laptop, trying to install Plan 9.
Drop it to trash. Go to - http://www.richmondcomputes.org/why_thinkpad
--
С Уважением
Жилкин Сергей
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:58 PM, ron minnich wrote:
>> They're utterly different, at every level. Yes, they give you a
>> similar service, but ...
>
> Whoa! That's a pretty strong claim. Care to substantiate?
>
> The way I
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All the programs that accept ! as a command do this:
% ed file
!echo hello
hello
!
It tells the user that execution has finished.
On Nov 11, 2008, at 11:07 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
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On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:40 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
stat(5) specifies exclusive-access files, which we do use for locking.
In what sense is that not `doing locking'? It's not POSIX byte-range
read- or write-locking per fcntl, but it's not clear to me how often
that's actually useful. In quite a few situations, having a single
process directly acce
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's just a taste. They're really very very different.
>
> May Glenda bless the IBM-induced standard wisdom.
So the IBM standard wisdom is that NFS and 9p are really very very
different (actually that was my quote)?
But yes,
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 9P doesn't do locking; .u/.l change the protocol.
>
yes. (well mostly yes - Geoff points out there are some locking
semantics in 9P, more correctly 9P doesn't do POSIX locking, .L
changes the protocol (.u doesn't make any provi
>It's not POSIX byte-range
>read- or write-locking per fcntl, but it's not clear to me how often
>that's actually useful.
they aren't. i wrote a paper about it many years ago, when helping to implement
a database system. in short, you can't rely on them for either scale or
properties,
so in any s
That explains why IBM's MVS didn't have locking at all. One would
conclude from that fact that locking isn't required to do even serious
business applications.
Brantley
On Nov 12, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
It's not POSIX byte-range
read- or write-locking per fcntl, but it'
> If I understood erik correctly, .L will even add auth into the
> protocol... I guess that only leaves us missing sunrpc for 9P to match
> NFS4's beauty.
i said nothing about .l. perhaps eric did.
- erik
When I'm using p9p acme under OSX and I have a compile/svn commit
etc... running in a win window and if I click on other windows a few
times acme will freeze. Has any one else noticed this behavior?
Noah
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 09:47 -0800, ron minnich wrote:
> > The way I see it: if you look past stalessness (taken care of
> > in WebNFS and NFS4) eagerness to do proper caching and
> > on-the-wire messages there are, actually, quite a few similarities
> > between the two:
> > FH is a moral equivalen
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:47 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:58 PM, ron minnich wrote:
>
>>> They're utterly different, at every level. Yes, they give you a
>>> similar service, but ..
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Brantley Coile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That explains why IBM's MVS didn't have locking at all. One would conclude
> from that fact that locking isn't required to do even serious business
> applications.
>
I don't follow your reasoning.
Saying fcntl locking is
that's a particularly bad example to pick. those shouldn't exist at all.
I don't see why (of course I am rather short-sighted). I guess they exist
because at some point in UNIX history devices existed that could be
usefully characterized as either block or character devices or meaningfully
di
>Why isn't there provision for file "types" at least
>(mknod types b and c come to mind)?
that's a particularly bad example to pick. those shouldn't exist at all.
Is anyone else going to be in Austin next week for Supercomputing? I'd be
interested in an informal 9fans gathering.
Any takers?
Jon
I'll be around but not at SC proper.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Jon Dugan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is anyone else going to be in Austin next week for Supercomputing? I'd be
> interested in an informal 9fans gathering.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Jon
>
>
yeah, there's going to be a slew.
We should all go get beer and BBQ or some such variant.
-eric
> Why shouldn't there be file "types" to
> help better represent the details of an underlying resource?
you of course know that the big difference in unix and other
systems of the day was that files did not have type. this allowed
a tools-based approach which was popular for many years.
- erik
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah, there's going to be a slew.
> We should all go get beer and BBQ or some such variant.
>
we'll have a stew for the slew, phew!
ron
yuck, i give up. this thread is nearly longer than the kernel. i'm off
to find an island without electricity. i can do without beer.
brucee
You shouldn't need to be starved of electricity in order to get away
from the thread.
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yuck, i give up. this thread is nearly longer than the kernel. i'm off
to find an island without electricity. i can do without beer.
brucee
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Noah Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I'm using p9p acme under OSX and I have a compile/svn commit
> etc... running in a win window and if I click on other windows a few
> times acme will freeze. Has any one else noticed this behavior?
When was the last time
On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Russ Cox wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Noah Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
When I'm using p9p acme under OSX and I have a compile/svn commit
etc... running in a win window and if I click on other windows a few
times acme will freeze. Has any one else n
My version of osx-srv.c is more recent:
-rw-r--r--@ 1 npe npe 7039 Oct 13 09:45
/usr/local/plan9/src/cmd/devdraw/osx-srv.c
-rwxr-xr-x 1 npe npe 459488 Oct 13 09:46 /usr/local/plan9/bin/acme
that fix made acme *a lot* more stable, although this particular bug
seems to be tickling something sim
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amazon prescreen the kernel that you can use there, but!
> As was suggested by Richard Miller, if Plan9 can be
> a target of kexec -- the sky is the limit.
I thought I read they were using Xen? What's the relationsh
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