Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread erik quanstrom
in the case of zfs, my claim is that since zfs can reuse blocks, two vdev backups, each with corruption or missing data in different places are pretty well useless. Got it. However, I'm still not fully convinced there's a definite edge one way or the other. Don't get me wrong: I'm not

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread erik quanstrom
1. What's the use of copying arenas to CD/DVD? Is it purely back up, since they have to stay on-line forever? backup. 2. Would fossil/venti notice silent data corruptions in blocks? venti would. the score wouldn't match the block. 3. Do you think its a good idea to have

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 09:19 -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: in the case of zfs, my claim is that since zfs can reuse blocks, two vdev backups, each with corruption or missing data in different places are pretty well useless. Got it. However, I'm still not fully convinced there's a

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread erik quanstrom
Got it. However, I'm still not fully convinced there's a definite edge one way or the other. Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to defend ZFS (I don't think it needs defending, anyway) but rather I'm trying to test my mental model of how both work. if you end up rewriting a free

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Is it how it was from the get go, or did you use venti-based solutions before? it's how i found it. i have two zfs servers and about 10 pools of different sizes with several hundred different zfs filesystems and volumes of raw disk exported via iscsi. What kind of clients are on the other

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 18:36 -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: Got it. However, I'm still not fully convinced there's a definite edge one way or the other. Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to defend ZFS (I don't think it needs defending, anyway) but rather I'm trying to test my mental

[9fans] import and p9p

2009-01-20 Thread erik quanstrom
i apologize for the silly question, but my p9p-fu is quite weak. is the reason that plan 9 import is not part of p9p other than it was not needed? (of course the ssh-based import is included, but i believe that is something else entirely.) i'm not dead set on import, but i do require

Re: [9fans] import and p9p

2009-01-20 Thread Roman V. Shaposhnik
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 20:47 -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: i apologize for the silly question, but my p9p-fu is quite weak. is the reason that plan 9 import is not part of p9p other than it was not needed? (of course the ssh-based import is included, but i believe that is something else

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread erik quanstrom
well, there's your problem. you corrupted the cache, not the venti store. (you have no venti store in this example.) I was specifically referring to a normal operations to conjure an image of a typical setup of fossil+venti. In such a setup a corrupted block from a fossil

Re: [9fans] Changelogs Patches?

2009-01-20 Thread Steve Simon
... fossil does have the functionality to serve two different file systems from two different disks, but i don't think anyone has used that ... I do this, 'main' backed up by venti and 'other' which holds useful stuff that needn't be backed up, e.g. RFCs, cdrom images, datasheets etc. This is