Thanks again to everyone for all the help!
I did this (thanks Andrey):
ndb/cs
> ip/ipconfig
> ndb/dns -r
>
Then I took a look at /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute.
Then I pinged the gateway (thanks André) and got a response!
Then I did (thanks Federico)
hget http://google.com
>
and got some hi
On 04/18/2009 11:23 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>> Every time I have to use something like
>> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
>
> Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
> wanting to update themselves and the effort to "manage" thes
On 04/18/2009 11:36 AM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, wrote:
>>> Every time I have to use something like
>>> Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
>> Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
>> wanting to update themsel
On 04/19/2009 09:09 PM, Jim Habegger wrote:
> Eric and Anthony, thank you.
>
> I'm stepping through the Plan 9 documentation at
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. As you
> noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user:
>
> con -l /srv/fscons
>
>
> Tha
On 04/18/2009 05:47 AM, Robert Raschke wrote:
> On 4/17/09, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>> Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
>> teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
>> homes and, or cafes and for what?
>
> At the risk (or ma
On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
> wrote:
>> Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
>> teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
>> homes and, or cafes and for what
sorry if I read wrong, but I thought the thread was "Help for home
user discovering Plan 9"
not "FreeBSD and Linux rule" or "Who uses Plan 9?"
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinde
We can't tell you who uses Plan 9, because it is a secret and they
don't want anyone to learn about their secret competitive advantage.
/sarcasm (But still sadly true.)
uriel
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
wrote:
> On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>> On Fri,
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
> ericvh stated it better in the "FAWN" thread. choosing the abstraction
> that makes the resulting environments have required attributes
> (reliable, consistent, easy, etc.) will be the trick. i believe with
> the curren
> could you explain how raid 5 relates to sata vs sas?
> i can't see now it's anything but a non-sequitor.
Here is the motivating real-world business case: You are in the movie
post-production business and need > 50 TB of online storage at as low
a price as possible with good performance and relia
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:58 AM, John Barham wrote:
> I certainly can't think ahead 20 years but I think it's safe to say
> that the next 5 (at least doing HPC and large-scale web type stuff)
> will increasingly look like this:
> http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22504/?a=f, which talks
>
On Mon Apr 20 11:04:31 EDT 2009, urie...@gmail.com wrote:
> We can't tell you who uses Plan 9, because it is a secret and they
> don't want anyone to learn about their secret competitive advantage.
> /sarcasm (But still sadly true.)
i have a counterexample.
coraid, inc. uses plan 9. it's a big
cgi is more than parsing query strings, there are at least two other
variable passing mechanisms x-www-form-encoded (query string as the POST
body) and multipart/form-data - the sort that's required when uploading
binary stuff.
Common Gateway Interface is a 36 page RFC : http://www.ietf.org/r
On Mon Apr 20 11:13:01 EDT 2009, jbar...@gmail.com wrote:
> > could you explain how raid 5 relates to sata vs sas?
> > i can't see now it's anything but a non-sequitor.
>
> Here is the motivating real-world business case: You are in the movie
> post-production business and need > 50 TB of online s
ron minnich wrote:
RLX and Orion
multisystems showed there is not much of a market for lots of wimpy
nodes -- yet or never, is the real question. Either way, they did not
have enough buyers to stay in business. And RLX had to drop its wimpy
transmetas for P4s, and they could not keep up with the
9p is efficient as long as your latency is <30ms
What kind of latency?
For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San
Francisco and back)
in that 30ms a 3.2Ghz P4 could do 292 million instructions
There's an interesting article about it in acmq queue20090203-dl
what could we do today, but don't quite dare?
a Blue Ray writer does 50Gb per disk (we're supposed to be getting one
soon, so maybe I can report back about this later)
ArcVault SCSI autoloading tape drives do from 9.6tb - 76tb
http://www.b2net.co.uk/overland/overland_arcvault_12_a
> >> what could we do today, but don't quite dare?
> >>
> >
> >
> a Blue Ray writer does 50Gb per disk (we're supposed to be getting one
> soon, so maybe I can report back about this later)
>
> ArcVault SCSI autoloading tape drives do from 9.6tb - 76tb
>
> http://www.b2net.co.uk/overlan
erik quanstrom wrote:
what could we do today, but don't quite dare?
a Blue Ray writer does 50Gb per disk (we're supposed to be getting one
soon, so maybe I can report back about this later)
ArcVault SCSI autoloading tape drives do from 9.6tb - 76tb
http://www.b2net.co
2009/4/20 erik quanstrom :
>
> i'm not following along. what would be the application?
Jukebox, perhaps?
> - erik
>
>
> 9p is efficient as long as your latency is <30ms
check out ken's answer to a question by sqweek. the question
starts: "With cross-continental round trip times, 9p has a hard time
competing (in terms of throughput) against less general protocols like
HTTP. ..."
http://moderator.appspot.com/#15
> http://moderator.appspot.com/#15/e=c9&t=2d
"You must have JavaScript enabled in order to use this feature.
cruel irony.
- erik
>>
>> The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
>> using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
>> explicit control over the update process.
>
> I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common
> Linux distribution, can opt for
>
> What kind of latency?
>
> For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San
> Francisco and back)
Assuming you have a direct fiber connection with no routers in
between. I would say that is somewhat rare.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
> > 9p is efficient as long as your latency is <30ms
>
> check out ken's answer to a question by sqweek. the question
> starts: "With cross-continental round trip times, 9p has a hard time
> competing (in terms of throug
> I thought 9p had tagged requests so you could put many requests in flight at
> once, then synchronize on them when the server replied.
>
> Maybe i misunderstand the application of the tag field in the protocol then?
>
> Tread tag fid offset count
>
> Rread tag count data
without having the b
I did the experiment, for the o/live, of issuing multiple (9p) RPCs
in parallel, without waiting for answers.
In general it was not enough, because in the end the client had to block
and wait for the file to come before looking at it to issue further rpcs.
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Skip
>For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San
>Francisco and back)
>in that 30ms a 3.2Ghz P4 could do 292 million instructions
i think that's just enough to get to dbus and back.
J.R. Mauro wrote:
What kind of latency?
For speed of light in fibre optic 30ms is about 8000km (New York to San
Francisco and back)
Assuming you have a direct fiber connection with no routers in
between. I would say that is somewhat rare.
The author found that from klondike.cis.upen
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > I thought 9p had tagged requests so you could put many requests in flight
> at
> > once, then synchronize on them when the server replied.
> >
> > Maybe i misunderstand the application of the tag field in the protocol
> then?
> >
> > Trea
> Let me repeat that the question is/was, "Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
> homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application".
I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
primary desktop OS, though I do VNC onto other OSs to use more complex
websites (li
> > > Tread tag fid offset count
> > >
> > > Rread tag count data
> >
> > without having the benefit of reading ken's thoughts ...
> >
> > you can have 1 fd being read by 2 procs at the same time.
> > the only way to do this is by having multiple outstanding tags.
>
>
> I thought the tag was ass
> I thought 9p had tagged requests so you could put many requests in flight
> at
> once, then synchronize on them when the server replied.
This is exactly what fcp(1) does, which is used by replica.
If you want to read a virtual file however, these often
don't support seeks or implement them in u
> Thus running multiple reads (on the same file) only really
> works for files which operate as read disks - e.g. real disks,
> ram disks etc.
at which point, you have reinvented aoe. :-)
- erik
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:03 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > > Tread tag fid offset count
> > > >
> > > > Rread tag count data
> > >
> > > without having the benefit of reading ken's thoughts ...
> > >
> > > you can have 1 fd being read by 2 procs at the same time.
> > > the only way to do this
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> > Let me repeat that the question is/was, "Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
> > homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application".
>
> I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
> primary desktop OS,
> > not that i can think of. but that addresses throughput, but not latency.
>
>
> Right, but with better throughput overall, you can "hide" latency in some
> applications. That's what HTTP does with this AJAX fun right?
>
> Show some of the page, load the rest over time, and people "feel bett
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > > not that i can think of. but that addresses throughput, but not
> latency.
> >
> >
> > Right, but with better throughput overall, you can "hide" latency in some
> > applications. That's what HTTP does with this AJAX fun right?
> >
> >
> with 9p, this takes a number of walks...
shouldn't that be just one walk?
% ramfs -D
...
% mkdir -p /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
...
% cd /tmp/one/two/three/four/five/six
ramfs 640160:<-Twalk tag 18 fid 1110 newfid 548 nwname 6 0:one 1:two
2:three 3:four 4:five 5:six
ramfs 640160:->Rwalk ta
Hey all,
That laptop that I was boasting ran Plan 9 flawlessly (minus the
non-native graphics) is now exhibiting some really weird behavior.
I've replaced the old Hitachi Travelstar disk (100GB / 7200RPM) with a
Seagate 320GB disk (5400RPM). I can install FreeBSD and CentOS fine.
When I try to ins
On Mon Apr 20 19:55:31 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> That laptop that I was boasting ran Plan 9 flawlessly (minus the
> non-native graphics) is now exhibiting some really weird behavior.
> I've replaced the old Hitachi Travelstar disk (100GB / 7200RPM) with a
> Seagate 320G
I've done as much as I can and want to do from the documentation for now.
Now I'm working on some of the responses to my posts here.
Pietro, I did
9fs sources
>
and installed fgb. I'm planning to look at that troff tutorial, the manpage
for juke, and the files in /sys/doc.
Here's what happened
I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid.
Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat
partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other
Ubuntu windows.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jim Habegger wrote:
> I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid.
>
> Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat
> partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other
> Ubuntu windows.
>
- and how to
> ... the manpage
> for juke, ...
>
Juke is really old and kind of painful to use. Easier to just use
mp3dec on the command line, but if you must use juke I have some
scripts in my contrib (/n/sources/contrib/john/) that will make juke
easier to deal with.
> Here's what happened when I install
Now I have a list of commands to type every time I boot. I need to learn how
to run them automatically.
$home/lib/profile is run on login; you can stick arbitrary commands in
there. note rio's -i option. take a look at glenda's lib/profile and
bin/rc/riostart for examples.
running "c:" has a good chance of finding and mounting a FAT
partition; see dossrv(4). note that c: and dosmnt, like many other
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