Re: [9fans] C++ support [was: TeX: hurrah!]

2010-04-18 Thread lucio
I had the thought why not write a C++ to C converter CFront was the original front end and it has been enhanced somewhat since its early days. But I believe it isn't likely to support all of G++'s features. You'll find it on sources: /n/sources/steve/cfront/ Of course, one could try

Re: [9fans] ATA oddities

2010-04-18 Thread lucio
The master drive is Fujitsu MPE3054AT and the slave is a CD-writer. MPE3464AT, I stand corrected. The flchk operation had jammed solid and I did have a jumper missing to indicate that there was a slave drive attached. I have added the jumper and replaced the cable with a high-density variety

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-18 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Hi I'm aware of XeTeX (I had mentioned XeLaTeX in an earlier thread), and yes, I understand one wouldn't be looking for identity with what other platforms support. I agree that one shouldn't be looking to ape, but rather to provide the same or more functionality in a better way. Perhaps I'll be

Re: [9fans] troff/eqn '=' font problem

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Apr 18 01:19:01 EDT 2010, jjackson...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm writing a paper with troff -ms using the default Times font, and the greater than or equal to symbol appears to have an extra line...so it looks like '' above '=', instead of '' above '_' . It looks like eqn is

[9fans] kerTeX and LaTeX: yes...

2010-04-18 Thread tlaronde
So I have tested if the big version of tex provided by kerTeX can dump the format for LaTeX. The answer is yes. Nothing special here (at least for a 5 years old version that was provided in the teTeX distributions I used before kerTeX---I don't use LaTeX.) I'm cleaning the things and writing the

Re: [9fans] C++ support [was: TeX: hurrah!]

2010-04-18 Thread Jorden M
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:52 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: I had the thought why not write a C++ to C converter CFront was the original front end and it has been enhanced somewhat since its early days.  But I believe it isn't likely to support all of G++'s features.  You'll find it on

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Scott Sullivan
On 04/17/2010 05:35 PM, C H Forsyth wrote: perhaps Plan 9 is just the Black Books of software? Just to clarify, you do mean the TV show? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Books -- Scott Sullivan

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Federico G. Benavento
 scheme  ocaml  haskell  lua  limbo  linda  pforth  python tcl 4th bprolog p2c (pascal 2 c) f2c (fortran 2 c) extra/perl which could be easily updated -- Federico G. Benavento

Re: [9fans] Recommended emulators/VMs for P9 install

2010-04-18 Thread Patrick Kelly
Hyper-V is negative for 2008r2.

Re: [9fans] troff/eqn '=' font problem

2010-04-18 Thread Justin Jackson
try using ≥.  (u+0x2265) - erik Yup...that works and it looks great! Thanks! -Justin

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Bakul Shah
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:35:53 BST C H Forsyth fors...@vitanuova.com wrote: perhaps Plan 9 is just the Black Books of software? You mean with 9fans playing the role of Bernard Black? Could be -- if you squint a bit Black Books is an anarchic place, with piles of books, cartons of old

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread Corey
There have been many direct responses to my posts, every one of them has a number of good points - even when I disagree with some of them; and (as is natural and expected) a number of misunderstandings as well. I can't respond to them all without spamming the list, so I'll refrain (wouldn't

[9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread James Chapman
On my new plan 9 terminal running under vmware fusion on my leopard macbook this happens: Executing the command term% for (i in `{seq 1 254}) {ip/ping -n 1 192.168.1.1} causes panic: Fsprotoclone: all conversations in use panic :Fsprotoclone: all conversations in use dumpstack disabled cpu0:

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Corey
On Friday 16 April 2010 16:58:38 andrey mirtchovski wrote: TL;DR On Friday 16 April 2010 21:20:15 Federico G. Benavento wrote: too long for me to read, could you summarize in 3 lines? On Saturday 17 April 2010 10:06:35 Iruata Souza wrote: still too long. I'm not avoiding these requests.

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
term% for (i in `{seq 1 254}) {ip/ping -n 1 192.168.1.1} i think you mean for(i in `{seq 1 254}){ip/ping -n1 192.168.1.$i} panic: Fsprotoclone: all conversations in use panic :Fsprotoclone: all conversations in use dumpstack disabled cpu0: exiting Regardless of whether my

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread geoff
There are limits on the number of concurrent conversations per protocol. For UDP, it's currently 1024, for TCP it's currently 1024 on terminals and 4096 on cpu servers. For ICMP, it's currently 128; you may want to raise that. To find the current limits, grep 'nc = ' /sys/src/9/ip/*.c

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread C H Forsyth
Just to clarify, you do mean the TV show? yes, yes i do.

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread James Chapman
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:32 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: term% for (i in `{seq 1 254}) {ip/ping -n 1 192.168.1.1} i think you mean        for(i in `{seq 1 254}){ip/ping -n1 192.168.1.$i} Sorry, I meant for(i in `{seq 1 254}){ip/ping -n1 192.168.1.$i} I added the as I

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
i don't think i understand your point at all any more. more verbiage isn't going to solve it for me. two small things, though: Regardless, even if the sources _were_ stagnant... and even if Plan 9 proper was used professionally by an even _smaller_ number of developers, it would still

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:32 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: term% for (i in `{seq 1 254}) {ip/ping -n 1 192.168.1.1} i think you mean        for(i in `{seq 1 254}){ip/ping -n1 192.168.1.$i} Sorry, I meant for(i in `{seq 1 254}){ip/ping -n1 192.168.1.$i} I

[9fans] troff citations and bibliographies

2010-04-18 Thread Justin Jackson
Hope I'm not being a bother, but I was just wondering how some of the Plan9 troff users out there approach the problem of citations and bibliographies, since refer(1) seems to have fallen out of favor. My guess is that users are encouraged to write their own scripts to get exactly what they want,

Re: [9fans] troff citations and bibliographies

2010-04-18 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I use a package providing imprecise citations. You cite like in [. networks plan 9.] and it locates a ref containing those words. I don't remember the package name, I now the program I run is bib and that files use .ref suffixes that must be indexed with a program called invert. If that's not

Re: [9fans] troff citations and bibliographies

2010-04-18 Thread Steve Simon
...refer(1) seems to have fallen out of favor. Not at all, I still use it. contrib/install steve/refer Thanks to Forsyth for the majority of the work, I just added a few bits and packaged it. -Steve

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Apr 18 16:41:17 EDT 2010, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: There are limits on the number of concurrent conversations per protocol. For UDP, it's currently 1024, for TCP it's currently 1024 on terminals and 4096 on cpu servers. For ICMP, it's currently 128; you may want to raise that.

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Could you (or someone) elaborate on the C99 battle? I'm wondering whether this implies critique of the C99 standard or something else (and how this relates to C under Plan9) Thanks K Corey co...@bitworthy.net 18/04/2010 3:26 pm Plan 9 chose not to fight any network protocol standards (IL

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread cinap_lenrek
i dont think you need that. devip calls a protocol specific garbage collector procedure that will close these hanging connections for you if it runs out of connections. /sys/src/9/ip/tcp.c:/^tcpgc well, the test is a little bit more complicated as it takes a minimum inactivity time into account.

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
made a patch that changes the panic into a print: /n/sources/patch/devip-allconvused-panic i'm not sure that's what one wants, in general. depending on the protocol and the use case, you may want to (a) panic (b) print (carefully) (c) wait for the resource to become available. i'd be afraid

[9fans] continued dns problems

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
disclaimer: dns works great at 2 of the 3 plan 9 sites i maintain. unfortunately, one squeeky mouse gets the exterminator fired. dns under heavy use is continuing to be problematic. before the recent locking changes, i was seeing several crashes a month. after the locking changes, i am seeing

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread Corey
On Sunday 18 April 2010 13:58:19 erik quanstrom wrote: [purposefully removed context surrounding the following statement:] snip seems awful limiting for a research os. Exactly. Plan X proposes an extension of 9 space for the experimental purpose of promoting and supporting an additional

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread cinap_lenrek
if one wants to retry connecting he can. not being able to make a network connection is a very common case so i guess it would be ok to simply let it fail on this point instead of hanging and waiting. rebooting sounds like a little bit too drastic for me. expecially if it is about icmp sockets.

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread Patrick Kelly
Then let's see it happen; I'm not sure what you're waiting for. -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Corey Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:51 PM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women On Sunday 18 April

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
panic(me is a boofhead); no, that's presotto :p

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:58 PM, C H Forsyth wrote: Just to clarify, you do mean the TV show? yes, yes i do. Please end this thread. Soon you'll have someone re-implementing the 'google write in C' lyrics and posting yet another video to you tube. Or better yet, the reciting all of Ed Wood's

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Jack Johnson
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com wrote: p2c (pascal 2 c) Anyone ever peek at one of the Oberon to C compliers? Or maybe the Oxford stuff? http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Oxford_Oberon-2_compiler -Jack

Re: [9fans] multiple pings cause panic

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Apr 18 21:21:10 EDT 2010, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: if one wants to retry connecting he can. if you're primarly functioning as a server, that might be true, but not helpful. you may just appear down. it's just no fun to get the call i can't (read my mail|cpu in|...) at 2am. i'd

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
Anyone ever peek at one of the Oberon to C compliers? Or maybe the Oxford stuff? http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Oxford_Oberon-2_compiler why not build a native compiler? translating to c seems such a waste. oberon (especially wirth's current iteration) is tiny. unfortunately, i

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread erik quanstrom
Could you (or someone) elaborate on the C99 battle? I'm wondering whether this implies critique of the C99 standard or something else (and how this relates to C under Plan9) ken's c compiler has some extensions. like unnamed structures. you don't have to use them. i don't think that's an

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Corey co...@bitworthy.net wrote: On Sunday 18 April 2010 13:58:19 erik quanstrom wrote: [purposefully removed context surrounding the following statement:] snip seems awful limiting for a research os. Exactly. Plan X proposes an extension of 9 space for

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-18 Thread lucio
but if you're looking for somebody to say Sounds great, where do you want me to start? you'll probably be waiting a long time, I think it's more what a great idea, I've thought about the same and here is what I have done. Fact is, it's all largely there in /n/sources/contrib(*), 9vx and p9p,