[9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Steve Simon
I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for me. I really want to develop a good sence of c++ style, I learnt C at the feet of KR and then the plan9 sourcecode so I learnt how to write clean elegant code (I

[9fans] Apache portable runtime

2012-11-19 Thread Steve Simon
Somone was working on a port of the apache portable runtime a while back but I have lost their email. could they contact me please? Thanks, -Steve

Re: [9fans] Apache portable runtime

2012-11-19 Thread Jens Staal
måndagen den 19 november 2012 10.05.16 skrev Steve Simon: Somone was working on a port of the apache portable runtime a while back but I have lost their email. could they contact me please? Thanks, -Steve Hi you can find my apr port at: http://code.google.com/p/ports2plan9/ there

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread iainws
I would definitely use the new features of c++0x. Autos and Lambdas are the biggest noticeable change, so using them could be good style. Apparently the new constant expression offers optimisations from the compiler (probably equivalent to Java's final). Initialisation save's a couple of lines

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
RE2 is very good code, but it doesn't contain any modern C++ features, and it's not written in standard style. That is part of what makes it good, I guess, but it might not help Steve. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 11/19/2012 03:29 PM, Steve Simon wrote: I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for me. I really want to develop a good sence of c++ style, I learnt C at the feet of KR and then the plan9 sourcecode so I

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
1. C++ Coding Standards by Sutter and Alexandrescu, and Haven't read this book, but I read Modern C++ Design by Alexandrescu, and it was one of the worst books on programming I have ever read, pretty much the antithesis of what we consider good in this group, so caveat emptor. The best

[9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread erik quanstrom
thanks to eric jul for leading a great conference! the proceedings are now up on iwp9.org. the permanent address of this site will be 7e.iwp9.org. coraid plan to host iwp9 next year in athens, ga. tenative plans are for late october to take advantage of fall in georgia. hope to see you all

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
No video recordings? -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Nov 19 08:05:31 EST 2012, ara...@mgk.ro wrote: No video recordings? ah, no, sorry. i invite you to come next year and do the honors. :-) - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Bence Fábián
I wonder if there's an Athens in the country Georgia. That would make the confusion whole. 2012/11/19 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net thanks to eric jul for leading a great conference! the proceedings are now up on iwp9.org. the permanent address of this site will be 7e.iwp9.org.

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Nov 19 08:11:25 EST 2012, beg...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if there's an Athens in the country Georgia. That would make the confusion whole. athens, georgia, united states of america. nearest airport ATL. - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Brantley Coile
The full ICAO code for Atlanta, Georgia, USA, includes a K as in KATL. As we say here in the south, ya'll come see us. bwc sent from my ipad On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:22 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Mon Nov 19 08:11:25 EST 2012, beg...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if there's

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Robert Raschke
The only C++ book that I ever found to be worth it, is Ruminations on C++ by Andrew Koenig. Robby On Nov 19, 2012 10:01 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Eric Jul
Thanks to Erik for the compliments concerning iwp9 :-) I am glad you enjoyed the workshop and thank you for your comments throughout the workshop. As I like flying, I would actually consider flying into the local Athens Airport, IATA: AHN, ICAO: KAHN (IATA uses 3 letter codes - that is the

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
this is the problem. c++ programs follow a different definition of clean code than idiomatic c programs. by clean, they dont mean elegant or simple... it usualy boils down to lots and lots of structure, delegation and micro management and obsession with consistency and patterns. there will be

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 19 November 2012 04:59, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for me. I really want to develop a good sence of c++ style, I learnt C at the feet of KR and then

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread tlaronde
It was not the question (since it is not a matter of taste but of professional need), but I find quite significant that nobody has cited a book of the author of the language as a good reading. I'm sorry to say that, for me, this says something about the language itself... -- Thierry

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:56:33AM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote: On 19 November 2012 04:59, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Isn't all C code valid C++? problem solved. As of c99, they have diverged.

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Bence Fábián
If i remember correctly void foo(); in C++ is equivalent to void foo(void) in C. And the type of 'x' (character literal) in C++ is char. Apart from that C++ is a superset of C. But i think it hardly helps him. In the end he will have to follow the conventions the others use. So I'd recommend

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
no, its not. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Bence Fábián
Then it's not. And if it were it still wouldn't do any good. Just check the code of the others. 2012/11/19 cinap_len...@gmx.de no, its not. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Andrés Domínguez
2012/11/19 Bence Fábián beg...@gmail.com: I wonder if there's an Athens in the country Georgia. That would make the confusion whole. Nearly all Athens are in the United States (wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens#Other_locations_named_after_Athens Greeks should be proud being so

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread erik quanstrom
; cat /lib/sky/here 33.96 83.375 246.3 the second field should be -83.375; the sign is inverted. - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Bence Fábián
Americans aren't really creative with their city names. They should learn from the welsh. :) 2012/11/19 Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com 2012/11/19 Bence Fábián beg...@gmail.com: I wonder if there's an Athens in the country Georgia. That would make the confusion whole. Nearly all

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Andrés Domínguez
2012/11/19 Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for me. C++ Annotations is good for C programers, in my opinion. http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/ I really want

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Andrés Domínguez
2012/11/19 Andrés Domínguez andres...@gmail.com: Without sign of Athens in Near East's Georgia. Maybe I was wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Athens. Andrés

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Brian L. Stuart
Americans aren't really creative with their city names. They should learn from the welsh. :) Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong a

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Jeff Sickel
Steve, A lot will depend on the target compiler and toolchain you'll be using. There's a big push in certain circles to go to Clang and C++11 n.tufnel Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote: Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong a word---unusual, at least.

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Jack Johnson
Traditional names always have the edge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwigillingok,_Alaska I think the Yup'ik are half-Welsh. ;) -Jack On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote: Yeah, we probably do

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread erik quanstrom
i've always named machines after interesting place names. i've got a very long list of names to pick from. minooka, tyty, dupo, trion, kibbiee, blue earth, etc. our current file server is named wrens, after wrens, georgia. - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 02:37:14PM +, Eric Jul wrote: As I like flying, I would actually consider flying into the local Athens Airport, IATA: AHN, ICAO: KAHN I also recommend flying direct to Athens, since the Athens police have devoted many man-hours and dollars to making sure there is

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
the main reason i subscribe to 9fans is the geography lessons. how about: Tacoma, Puyallup, Enumclaw, Sealth (Seattle) and George all in Washington state. -Skip On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Bence Fábián beg...@gmail.com wrote: Americans aren't really creative with their city names. They

[9fans] iwp9: lightweight nonhierachical navigation

2012-11-19 Thread Bakul Shah
Thanks for putting up the proceedings. The extension described in a light-weight non-hierarchical filesystem navigation extension paper sounds a bit like zsh's ** extension. In zsh a/**/b matches all existing paths with prefix a and suffix b, where a and b can be arbitrary subpaths. So for

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
some pages in the procedings pdf took like 5 minutes to render in ghostscript on my t23. i was disappointed when the resulting image did not show a complete quantum double slit exact photon traced map of the whole internet. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] iwp9: lightweight nonhierachical navigation

2012-11-19 Thread cinap_lenrek
marge simpson globbing. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread tlaronde
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 07:29:38PM +0100, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: some pages in the procedings pdf took like 5 minutes to render in ghostscript on my t23. i was disappointed when the resulting image did not show a complete quantum double slit exact photon traced map of the whole internet.

[9fans] I would like to apologize

2012-11-19 Thread Alex Handy
I would like to apologize for inaccuracies in the article I wrote about 9Front and Plan9. I incorrectly attributed quotes to aiju, which he never said. The article has been deleted from our archives. -- Alex Handy Senior Editor Software Development Times http://www.sdtimes.com 510-282-4840 763

Re: [9fans] I would like to apologize

2012-11-19 Thread hiro
at least they did foresee that he writes file systems, it's called hjfs.

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:48 PM, steve st...@quintile.net wrote: ps i am studiously not reading anything about go in case it distracts me... :-) Oh good, that saves room for a new build of rust. -jas

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Matthew Veety
How do you studiously not do something? Doesn't the imply working hard at something? -- Veety