Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread lucio
> My mouse on the windows 7 desktop is connected via USB and has no outages. I still own, but not use - I really ought to - some serial three-button mice. I have noi doubt that I would get no outage from them, too. And, on a different sidetrack: why is it inconceivable for GCC (or Clang, for tha

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread lucio
> In general my computer does about exactly what i envisioned 15 years > ago whilst it was not possible yet. I should now go into a tirade about the price we pay for the features the marketing departments are foisting on us, but of course, it is not all bad (I'm not sure if I can call my Galaxy S5

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Daryl M
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Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Il 27/Lug/2015 23:47, "Skip Tavakkolian" <9...@9netics.com> ha scritto: > > > you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies > > and rabbits ...and feticists. ;-)

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
and rabbits > you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042546/

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
you are aware of the 9fans' fetish for movies http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042546/ > Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind to me at least. > > In fact, when I was typing "harvey os" into my search bar, "harvey > oswald" was the first autocomplete suggestion. > > On 27.07.15 13:48, Ryan Gonzalez wrot

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread hiro
>> pro tip: only use stable interfaces. > > Like what? W3C, or USB or CPU instruction sets? This sounds so despairing I'm sorry for you. But to answer your question, it depends on how you use it: My mouse on the windows 7 desktop is connected via USB and has no outages. Subsets of HTML 3/4 are st

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Daniel Valio
Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind to me at least. In fact, when I was typing "harvey os" into my search bar, "harvey oswald" was the first autocomplete suggestion. On 27.07.15 13:48, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: On July 27, 2015 10:24:37 AM CDT, Daniel Valio wrote: Am I the only one that is really b

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Nicolas Bercher
On 27/07/2015 17:03, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: I always thought is was that emulating an open-source application platform is easier than emulating a black box like Wine does, as you can see how things are done and the internal APIs and stuff. Yeah, but you know that Wine Is Not an Emulator! ;-) htt

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
On July 27, 2015 10:24:37 AM CDT, Daniel Valio wrote: >Am I the only one that is really bothered by the name? > >It doesn't quite bring good things to mind. What?? The Batman character?? > >On 24.07.15 21:43, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: >> >https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-op

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread lucio
> open source software is often a moving target. Amen. > pro tip: only use stable interfaces. Like what? W3C, or USB or CPU instruction sets? Lucio.

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread hiro
open source software is often a moving target. pro tip: only use stable interfaces.

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread lucio
> It doesn't quite bring good things to mind. Are you suggesting that there are bad things out there with a similar name? If so, I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't know about them. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Daniel Valio
Am I the only one that is really bothered by the name? It doesn't quite bring good things to mind. On 24.07.15 21:43, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: https://medium.com/this-is-not-a-monad-tutorial/harvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0b I'm not affiliated with this whatsoever; I jus

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread lucio
> I always thought is was that emulating an open-source application platform is > easier than emulating a black box like Wine does, as you can see how things > are done and the internal APIs and stuff. You're right on that score, but emulating continually-changing bloat isn't really any easier,

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Stanley Lieber
in some cases, plan 9's coincidental inability to run modern programs that do unpredictable and undesirable things is a useful feature. mothra, for example, doesn't even handle many html tags, but it also doesn't execute unknown server-supplied code on my terminal. how can i be sure? because the

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
On July 27, 2015 9:19:47 AM CDT, Anthony Sorace wrote: >> erik quanstrom wrote: >> >> when i need to run Linux programs, i run linux. > >Yeah, but then you’ve got linux. Now you’ve got two >problems (hah! if only…). > >> what is the benefit of running firefox on a p9 like system, >> rather tha

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 27 July 2015 at 15:19, Anthony Sorace wrote: > (for many, it’s pretty > much just a browser) > One of the reasons mere POSIX isn't enough is that there are many non-POSIX tendrils that have worked their way throughout the system, notably d-bus and now systemd, but there are many others, and t

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Anthony Sorace
> erik quanstrom wrote: > > when i need to run Linux programs, i run linux. Yeah, but then you’ve got linux. Now you’ve got two problems (hah! if only…). > what is the benefit of running firefox on a p9 like system, > rather than on linux? The theory, anyway, is that you could then not have a

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 27 July 2015 at 14:44, Charles Forsyth wrote: > It is slow. But it doesn't matter anyway if your aim is to compile a ton of stuff that only gcc can compile.

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Charles Forsyth
On 27 July 2015 at 13:08, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > 'd expect GCC compiling Plan 9 at a speed reasonably comparable to kencc. I used gcc for one of my own OS projects years ago, without all the #include crud. It is slow. For one thing, it still(!) produces textual assembly code (because the PDP-

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
GCC is not a very slow C compiler in term of compiled LOC/s (although the difference in speed between -O0 and -O3 is embarrassing). What makes compiling Unix software so slow, is the way source code is organised, headers which include headers, cpp having to generate lots of code, and all the other

Re: [9fans] Harvey OS: A new OS inspired heavily by Plan 9

2015-07-27 Thread hiro
>> I personally wouldn't try fixing firefox' memory leaks with acid > > why not? Same reason you're stating below. I agree with you. > when i need to run Linux programs, i run linux. > what is the benefit of running firefox on a p9 like system, rather than on > linux? p9p does a good job of brin