Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-13 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to put an 80x86 in a coffee machine. Why not ? About a year ago I've built an alternative firmware for some tiny WLAN router which was based on an i386 clone SoC (IIRC made by TI). Old-fashioned x86 isnt so

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-13 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: If you'd ever dropped a deck of punched *cards* you'd have thought paper tape was a huge advance, and more durable mylar even more so Actually, back when I was a little boy, I played a bit w/ some learning toolkit which had spunchcards, for simple

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread hiro
They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness.

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread Jorden Mauro
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: * Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: The coffee pot runs windows and there is a virus that causes Coffee Denial of Service on it. That, of course,

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread Patrick Kelly
On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:29 AM, hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness. Way too powerfull of a toaster. Overkill ftw!

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread Patrick Kelly
On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: * Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: The coffee pot runs windows and there

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread Taj Khattra
They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness. http://funnies.paco.to/softEng.html:)

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Taj Khattra wrote: They are running apache on a toaster? My goodness. Once upon a time we crammed a PPC board into a stainless steal toaster as a demo platform with the LCD popping out of the slot like a piece of toast. I thought i had pictures, but can't for

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-08 Thread hiro
I once used a microwave designed that way. Couldn't find the meal on the list and had to manually set time and power with 3 digital buttons :( It looked nice though. It was painted whine red with black/dark-brown shades just like my eyes. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Taj Khattra

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-07 Thread Patrick Kelly
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: * Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: The coffee pot runs windows and there is a virus that causes Coffee Denial of Service on it. That, of course, would be the very most worstcase that can ever happen ;-) I doubt

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-07 Thread LiteStar numnums
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: * Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: The coffee pot runs windows and there is a virus that causes Coffee Denial of Service on it. That, of

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Jorden Mauro jrm8...@gmail.com wrote: The coffee pot runs windows and there is a virus that causes Coffee Denial of Service on it. That, of course, would be the very most worstcase that can ever happen ;-) cu -- --

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2010-01-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* hiro 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: It's also very easy to run my toaster diskless. hmm, I think the Toasters work w/ SSDs or maybe some kind of nano corememory, at least the mechanical ones. This could also their extreme suspectibility to certain radiations. But no idea what causes that effect

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-12-09 Thread Tim Newsham
we found it's a lot easier doing it like in the octopus. we'll be happy to discuss any of it. Did you find 9p adequate for the resource sharing you did or did you have to alter the protocol or augment it with other protocols? Did you use the normal plan9 authentication mechanisms or did you

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-28 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 26 Nov 2009, at 8:53 pm, ron minnich wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: it is pretty hard to run windows, osx or linux without a hard drive. linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-28 Thread hiro
It's also very easy to run my toaster diskless. Does this say anything about it's elegance or simplicity? I don't remember what my toaster has to do with 9p, but nevermind. On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 26 Nov 2009, at 8:53 pm, ron minnich

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-28 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On 28 Nov 2009, at 2:28 pm, hiro wrote: It's also very easy to run my toaster diskless. Does this say anything about it's elegance or simplicity? I don't remember what my toaster has to do with 9p, but nevermind. And somebody always mentions toasters! Or coffee machines... :D Actually, yes

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-28 Thread Jorden Mauro
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 28 Nov 2009, at 2:28 pm, hiro wrote: It's also very easy to run my toaster diskless. Does this say anything about it's elegance or simplicity? I don't remember what my toaster has to do with 9p, but

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-27 Thread matt
i wasn't talking about aoe. but since you are, what exactly is difficult about the plan 9 aoe driver? - erik the installer, or was last time I looked, I did try to make one but got so far and decided on a better way which is on my large pile of todo. I made a install to this drive

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-27 Thread erik quanstrom
i wasn't talking about aoe. but since you are, what exactly is difficult about the plan 9 aoe driver? - erik the installer, or was last time I looked, I did try to make one but got so far and decided on a better way which is on my large pile of todo. I made a install to this

[9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Tim Newsham
it isn't plumbing, but export/import, and it's useful. i had a usable sound system on my r3000 indigo, but my PC had none. on the pc, i imported the indigo's /dev and played sounds that way. i could imagine uses even a continent away (alarm system imports remote /dev and announces trouble). next

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Tim Newsham
or the cannonical example, a hard drive. I intentionally avoided this one because two things that modern OSs do know how to share (at least a little) are: - filesystems - printers Its just all the other stuff that they haven bothered to tackle yet, except in very specific applications (ie.

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
we found it's a lot easier doing it like in the octopus. we'll be happy to discuss any of it. On 26/11/2009, at 21:34, news...@lava.net wrote: I personally would like to see a lot more in the way of remote resource access using 9p and I'm working towards that by writing software for windows,

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Nov 26 15:36:39 EST 2009, news...@lava.net wrote: or the cannonical example, a hard drive. I intentionally avoided this one because two things that modern OSs do know how to share (at least a little) are: - filesystems - printers it is pretty hard to run windows, osx or linux

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: it is pretty hard to run windows, osx or linux without a hard drive. linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. ron

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you can run XP+ diskless if you have the right Windows Server and installation tools fu.

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Tim Newsham wrote: or the cannonical example, a hard drive. I intentionally avoided this one because two things that modern OSs do know how to share (at least a little) are: - filesystems - printers Its just all the other stuff that they haven bothered to tackle yet, except in very

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you can run XP+ diskless if you have the right Windows Server and

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread matt
erik quanstrom wrote: On Thu Nov 26 15:36:39 EST 2009, news...@lava.net wrote: or the cannonical example, a hard drive. I intentionally avoided this one because two things that modern OSs do know how to share (at least a little) are: - filesystems - printers it is pretty

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you can run XP+ diskless if you have the

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you can run XP+

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: Hi, I personally would like to see a lot more in the way of remote resource access using 9p and I'm working towards that by writing software for windows, linux and android. actually, that's also my primary focus here. Not the OS itself, but carry the

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread erik quanstrom
it is pretty hard to run windows, osx or linux without a hard drive. I've done Linux over AoE, that was flawless once working. Lack of AoE aware installers made it interesting. Plan9 is a fiddle too I didn't try the MacOSX or Windows AoE initiators. You need plenty of Foo to do

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Tim Newsham
I've been playing around with sound a lot as a starting point but I am hoping to move on to other devices soon. Great! Do you have any (maybe usable) code yet ? I have lots of code, but its unpublished proprietary at this point (aside from the bits that I've released on this mailing list).

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread W B Hacker
Enrico Weigelt wrote: * W B Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: linux is actually quite easy and has been for about 12 years or more ... not sure of the others. I was running diskless Windows in 1995; it wasn't pretty, but it could be done. These days you

Re: [9fans] 9p resource sharing [was: Scanners]

2009-11-26 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tim Newsham news...@lava.net wrote: I've been playing around with sound a lot as a starting point but I am hoping to move on to other devices soon. Great! Do you have any (maybe usable) code yet ? I have lots of code, but its unpublished proprietary at this point (aside from the bits