Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread Wang Haiguang
issue. From: Amir Omidi Sent: Friday, 10 November 2023 10:46:03 PM To: Tim Hollebeek Cc: Aaron Gable; My1; Q Misell; Wang Haiguang; acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME I agree. Reading this I’m not entirely sure what problems it’s trying to solve. On Fri, Nov 10,

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread Amir Omidi
gt; solve. Otherwise this discussion will just go in circles. > > > > -Tim > > > > *From:* Acme *On Behalf Of *Wang Haiguang > *Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2023 2:42 PM > *To:* Q Misell > *Cc:* My1 ; Aaron Gable ; > acme@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Acme] Decentr

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread Tim Hollebeek
PM To: Q Misell Cc: My1 ; Aaron Gable ; acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME Hi, Q Very sorry that I have no experience in CA operation. Could you please give us an example that one person saying something and result in certificate revocation? Based on my

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread Wang Haiguang
PM To: Wang Haiguang Cc: My1; Aaron Gable; acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME You've missed the point entirely. Under no circumstances should agreement be required to revoke a certificate, there are numerous cases where one person and one person alone saying something

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread Q Misell
t; *Cc:* Q Misell; Aaron Gable; acme@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME > > revocation time SERIOUSLY isnt something that should be up to the > certificate owner, it needs to just work, be fast and not need some > "consensus voting". just a proof that it&

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread Wang Haiguang
. From: My1 Sent: Friday, 10 November 2023 7:02 PM To: Wang Haiguang Cc: Q Misell; Aaron Gable; acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME revocation time SERIOUSLY isnt something that should be up to the certificate owner, it needs to just work, be

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-10 Thread My1
tial of ACME. > > > Have nice day. > > > Haiguang > > > > -- > *From:* Q Misell > *Sent:* Thursday, 9 November 2023 6:48:04 PM > *To:* Wang Haiguang > *Cc:* Aaron Gable; acme@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Acme] Decentrali

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-09 Thread Wang Haiguang
] Decentralized the ACME > There are many different blockchains today and some of them quite cheap in > transaction fees. These blockchain with cheap transaction fees support smart > contract too. Beside that, we can also consider consortium blockchains, which > can have fewer nodes and

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-09 Thread Q Misell
nge > first. > > > Best regards. > > > Haiguang > ---------- > *From:* Wang Haiguang > *Sent:* Thursday, 9 November 2023 7:23:52 AM > *To:* Aaron Gable > *Cc:* acme@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME > > > Hi,

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-09 Thread Wang Haiguang
regards. Haiguang From: Wang Haiguang Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2023 7:23:52 AM To: Aaron Gable Cc: acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME Hi, Aron Thanks very much for your comments. We have also considered the cost of issuing certific

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Wang Haiguang
From: Aaron Gable Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2023 1:39:05 AM To: Wang Haiguang Cc: acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME Hi Wang, Thanks for your interest in ACME, and for sharing this paper with us. Unfortunately, I think the ideas presented in the paper are undesirable for

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Aaron Gable
Hi Wang, Thanks for your interest in ACME, and for sharing this paper with us. Unfortunately, I think the ideas presented in the paper are undesirable for most website operators, concerning from an implementation perspective, and significantly exceed the scope of this working group. First and mo

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Melinda Shore
On 11/8/23 7:52 AM, Wang Haiguang wrote: I agree with you that decentralizing the ACME might be a topic too large and exceed the scope of the ACME working group.  However, considering that the transparency of CA management is vital important for the future internet. It might be worthy to thinki

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Wang Haiguang
. From: Q Misell Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2023 10:52:23 PM To: Wang Haiguang Cc: Q Misell; acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME Whilst I agree that CAs could do with more transparency, ACME isn't the place to work on that. ACME is one of many me

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Q Misell
Whilst I agree that CAs could do with more transparency, ACME isn't the place to work on that. ACME is one of many methods to interact with a CA, most CAs don't even offer it. It is merely a protocol interface to a CA, the CA/BF actually defines how a CA operates, and any transparency requirements

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Wang Haiguang
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2023 10:14:43 PM To: Wang Haiguang Cc: acme@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME Hi Haiguang, Thanks for your email and the interest in ACME. Personally I don't think the blockchain has much - if any - place in ACME. CAs are already pretty decentra

Re: [Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Q Misell
Hi Haiguang, Thanks for your email and the interest in ACME. Personally I don't think the blockchain has much - if any - place in ACME. CAs are already pretty decentralised, and you're already perfectly capable of choosing whatever CA you want for the job (within certain commercial and policy res

[Acme] Decentralized the ACME

2023-11-08 Thread Wang Haiguang
Hello, everyone My name is Haiguang Wang from Huawei. I am interested in the networking and security protocols research. I have attended IETF meeting since year 2017 and have followed the work in ACME group for sometime. Last year we have come across a research paper "A Blockchain-based Me