TECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier, Guido
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:35 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
> Over Teriyaki a few minutes ago, Brett posited the question "well if
> USN rollback is corruption, what else?&quo
ted, the HW was checked and
the box was repromoted (after metadata cleanup etc.)
/Guido
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LinehanSent: Montag, 5. Dezember 2005 20:26To:
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corruption
We d
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Sent: Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2005 23:42
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I would generally not call USN rollback a corruption either, but I think
Dean make a fair and quasi-val
@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Yeah but the information store wasn't. :)
I think the comparisons going on are between the store and the AD DIT.
Totally different uses of the same database engine - ESE.
joe
==
My ESE E
irley
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Of course, that's compar
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That makes more sense - AD is resilient by its distributed design whereas
Exch is not (or less so) due to its non-distributed design.
TECTED] On Behalf Of Creamer, Mark
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Net share joesdevfolder
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Net share joesdevfolder
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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Error detection and correction seems to be about 60
edir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Error detection and correction seems to be about 60-90% of any program
that
does it well, in other words most of the code is to validate you are
working
with what you should be working with.
For user facing apps that usually means a ton of c
hursday, December 08, 2005 10:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I'd agree with that... but I know from doing small scripts that when I put
them in someone else's hands, and I start adding in detection for this, and
that, and error h
n't a Zamboni, just that maybe
here are some more things for it to do. Just some ideas...
Rich
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cater for those issues, as well as disk related
issues???
:)
neil
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Right. Differen
ng more than one AD DC
per domain. It's designed to do operate that way and withstand failures
under normal circumstances. Exchange is not as resilient by task.
My $0.04 anyway.
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To:
Subj
st environments without at least 2 DCs
per domain (Virtualization software rocks).
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rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was referring to this KB:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=867626
neil
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: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I thought it was Windows 2003 sp1 that had additional database
correction stuff?
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>Maybe I should flip the question around a little...
>
>
>What are the changes made in exch2k3 sp1 (involving ECC corrections)
>and why w
2005 01:55
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Good post ~Eric, thanks for chiming in.
I see where you are coming from with the corruption at the distributed
level. In terms of corruption at that level I see it as corruption but
just can't get m
re: AD/ESE(?)
What am I missing guys?
neil
PS Great thread so far :)
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Sent: 07 December 2005 01:55
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Good post ~Eric
f Rick
KingslanSent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:19 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file
corruption
Replication is at an attribute level and the corruption is
usually a bit flip - which isn't replicated. The data itself (a table
or an index) is checked and
vided "AS IS", and confers no rights or
warranties ...
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Ntds.dit file corruption
Is this guaranteed? Ho
put
it
down in words why. I just don't. :)
joe
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I would genera
icture on it. Maybe similar to
http://www.cafepress.com/ehlo.10124219 with some snazzy saying on there?
Also, I'd love to know how a memory bit flip was diagnosed. If you ever get
the time, Brett.
>From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ActiveDir@mail.acti
. Maybe similar to
http://www.cafepress.com/ehlo.10124219 with some snazzy saying on there?
Also, I'd love to know how a memory bit flip was diagnosed. If you ever get
the time, Brett.
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I had one with
that ugly mug of yours on it.
joe
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I would
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:42 PM
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I would generally not call USN rollback a corruption either
don't. :)
joe
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I would generally not call USN rollback a
I like, to fly in; the face of: convention...
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On 12/6/05, joe
ebate this for a few months, as we usually do on
such points. More thoughts to come as we debate further.
~Eric
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject
On 12/6/05, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL. I enjoyed it which means it is all good as you all exist for my
> personal entertainment. ;o)
>
> Well except for Laura, she exists to hound me to the end of my existence on
> commas.
>
>
Keep it up, joe, and I'll start proofreading your activedir
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> <http://msetechnology.com/> http://msetechnology.com
>
>
>
> _
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:56 AM
> To: ActiveDir@ma
I stopped reading after "great
answer"...
:)
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WellsSent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PMTo: Send - AD
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corruption
Great
topic and, IMO, great answe
, Jose
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:26 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
My apologies to the list members for taking this issue slightly off topic, I
hope that no one is offended by such remarks or the additional email.
Peace ! :-)
Sincerely
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I think the topic shifted a little, specifically it shifted from the
2005 8:56 AMTo:
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corruption
I may get into trouble with this post as
Brett/Eric/Dean/Steve correct me... But that will be good.
[DAW]
I'm fairly certain
Bratt will have something to say on this one (in his shoes,
] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:08 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
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True, but right now, today, we have what we have.
From what I'm hearing the corruption won't be replicat
t: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
True, but right now, today, we have what we have.
From what I'm hearing the corruption won't be replicated, but a longer
term solution won't be in play until Longhorn/Vista.
Medeiros, Jose wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> With all do re
TED] Behalf Of Susan Bradley,
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:28 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
"Additional Domain controller"
BDC is a nt4 concept and in my book NT4 is dead ;-)
Medeiros, Jose wr
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"Additional Domain controll
05, 2005 7:38 PM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
>
> BDC
>
>
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*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
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Novell.
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*Medeiros, Jose
*Sent:* Monday, De
.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file
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BDC..
Yes and no.. Yes it is read only copy of the PDC's database, but no you do
not have an option to choose.Sincerely,Jose MedeirosADP | National Account
ServicesProBusiness Division | Information Services925.737.7967 |
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TimSent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:38 PMTo:
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BDC
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Robert A
instead passing an error.
joe
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Is this guaranteed? How can we/you be sure that
Ack you left Alliance. Well crap.
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LinehanSent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:49 AMTo:
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corruption
For full disclosure I am no longer in the Microsoft
:)
neil
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve
LinehanSent: 05 December 2005 19:26To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file
corruption
We do not replicate corruption so if you have local
corruption as noted below there is no worry that
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sullivan
TimSent: 06 December 2005 03:38To:
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BDC
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carpenter Robert
A Contr WROCI/Enterprise IT Sent: Monday,
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corruption
RODCs are a LongHorn feature. It will be one-way
replication to the RODCs. They will not replicate out anything. If you are on
the LongHorn beta you should be able to test this right now.
But as Steve (o
BDC
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A Contr WROCI/Enterprise IT Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:33
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Ntds.dit file corruption
Novell.
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[mailto
Novell.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros,
JoseSent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:24 AMTo:
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corruption
I was
not aware that Microsoft had incorporated such a feature in AD 2003. I
-From:
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LinehanSent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:26 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file
corruption
We do not replicate corruption so if you have local
corruption as noted below
005 15:18:42
To:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I was thinking about Longhorn :) It has been brought up here as a possible
longhorn feature a couple of times, but yeah that doesn't help much for the
immediate future.
Phil
On 12/5/05, Med
ember 05, 2005 2:24 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file
corruption
I was
not aware that Microsoft had incorporated such a feature in AD 2003. I know for
a fact that Microsoft did not have this feature when AD 2000 was first released
because I mentioned
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Phil RenoufSent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:04 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
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Will Read Only DC's take care of this? I don't know much about them yet, but it makes sense that if the copy of the dit th
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Will Read Only DC's take care of this? I don't know much about them yet,
but it makes sense that if the copy of the dit that a DC has is RO that it won't
try to replicate that anywhere and wo
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corruption
Will Read Only DC's take care of this? I don&#x
uption" for us?
>> What sort of corruption? What errors/events lead you to believe this?>> Specifically, I'm interested in errors from NTDS ISAM or ESE if you>> have any.>>>>>>
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTEC
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CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:53 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
I did? :-) I think I
of goo
in the wiring closet. Unless the data is not worth recovering. :)
From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
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Date:
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[MVP]
Sent: Sat 12/3/2005 10:58 PM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
SBS box [with Windows 2003 sp1 since September]
RE: [ActiveDir] Database Cor
have any.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks
> [MVP]
> Sent: Sat 12/3/2005 10:58 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
>
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jose Medeiros
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Even if it's SCSI on a RAID 5 Array, you can still have corrupt clusters. A
power outage or a hard reboot could have damaged
rrors from NTDS ISAM or ESE if you have any.
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Title: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
Going back to the original
post, I'm not sure I fully understand the problem yet.
Susan, can you define "ntds.dit file
corruption" for us? What sort of corruption? What errors/events lead you to
believe this? Specifically, I&
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Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/sc1420_specs.pdf
Well he said it's a
Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:21 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ntds.dit file corruption
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/sc1420_specs.pdf
Well he said it's a Dell [ugh] 1420 but do not kn
me corrupt.
Was this server built using IDE /ATA/SATA drives?
Jose
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:58 PM
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SBS box [w
@mail.activedir.org
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http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/sc1420_specs.pdf
Well he said it's a Dell [ugh] 1420 but do not know if SATA or SCSI.
Jose Medeiros wrote:
> Hmm.. I have never experienced this with either McAfee or Symantec
SBS
Rocks [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:58 PM
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SBS box [with Windows 2003 sp1 since September]
RE: [ActiveDir] Database Corruption:
http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/msg32676.html
erver built using IDE /ATA/SATA drives?
Jose
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SBS box [with Windows 2003 sp1
SBS box [with Windows 2003 sp1 since September]
RE: [ActiveDir] Database Corruption:
http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/msg32676.html
We have a SBS 2003 sp1 box with a corrupt ntds.dit that the Consultant
and PSS have been banging on. Could not get the services back runni
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