Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-18 Thread Johnson, Milton
2) Sepaton does hardware compression so as far as I can tell it performs like compression on physical drives, I imagine other vendors may also use hardware compression. Besides what's important to me is that my TSM clients and TSM server are not taking a performance hit from doing compression

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-17 Thread Josef Weingand
1.) yes 2.) pls give me vendor / machine type of VTLs which does compression without performance impacts. physical tape drives gets performance improvements of compression, but VTL gets normally much slower performance if compression is enabled 3.) you need compare the same technology. You

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-17 Thread Curtis Preston
2.) pls give me vendor / machine type of VTLs which does compression without performance impacts. Several of them are now using hardware compression. They use the same chip as the tape drives do, therefore, they get what you're asking for. (I don't want to give vendor names cause the names will

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-15 Thread Johnson, Milton
Why a VTL vs FILE devclass volumes on local drives? 1) With a VTL you can do LAN free backups. 2) Data Compression: 2A) TSM Client does compression: Big performance hit on the client, slower backups/restores 2B) TSM server does compression (FILE devclass volumes on compressed file systems): Big

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-15 Thread Curtis Preston
I think you hit every nail right on the head, Milton. I would emphasize #5, as people tend to minimize how big of a deal it is to provision and administer large amounts of disk. A GOOD VTL (not all are good) will make that provisioning issue go away. As to de-dupe, it's considered by many to be

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-14 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:43:43 -0400, Johnson, Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The VTL is a Sepaton S2100-ES and yes it is disk only. I don't see the benefit that a tape backed system would bring, how does that really differ from a physical tape ATL with TSM providing a DISKPOOL front end?

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-13 Thread Johnson, Milton
The VTL is a Sepaton S2100-ES and yes it is disk only. I don't see the benefit that a tape backed system would bring, how does that really differ from a physical tape ATL with TSM providing a DISKPOOL front end? Fewer tape-head-hours: I understand your confusion, there was no way to reduce

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-12 Thread Johnson, Milton
As I see it, there are two areas where you get performance hits when restoring from non-collocated volumes: 1) Tapes Mounts: In my experience my VTL makes this problem insignificant. 2) Spinning Sequential Media: Yes, VTL volumes are sequential and if you define your tapes as 50GB native and

Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-12 Thread Nicholas Cassimatis
I'm not looking at the spinning through the volume to find the file, I'm focused on the fact that a volume can only be accessed by one client at a time. You have to read the data to be restored, which takes time. If you have one client reading the volume, any other access to that volume has to

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-12 Thread Johnson, Milton
Yes a virtual tape volume can be accessed only by one client at a time and if two processes/clients try to access the same volume at the same time one process/client must wait. Again smaller volume sizes decreases the chance that a contention would happen and also decrease the contention

Re: Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-12 Thread Allen S. Rout
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:16:27 -0400, Johnson, Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why a VTL? With us we found that when we out grew our physical library we would have to have to buy over 30 physical drives in order to be able to do backups, restores, cut off-site tapes and reclaim on/off site

Fw: How to Incorporate a CDL into TSM environment?

2007-06-11 Thread Nicholas Cassimatis
A couple of comments about what Wanda said about collocation and VTL's: At some point, you do have a finite number of mount points defined for your VTL. Even if virtual tape mounts are near instant, there is still some overhead. A large number of clients mounting virtual tape after virtual tape