Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Jones
There are very few jobs I wont do. Human fecal matter being present in large volume is one of those few. On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:38 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 7/23/18 3:52 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > Brand new set of hillside homes out this way. $400K range, walk out > > basements.

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/23/18 3:52 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Brand new set of hillside homes out this way.  $400K range, walk out basements.   Unfortunately the sewer lines in the streets are above the walkout basements so they plumbed a whole system of poop pumps to raise wastewater up out of the basements.  

Re: [AFMUG] Utility pole climbing pegs

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
You drive them in with a linemans hammer. The pole should have been pre-drilled for steps. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Utility pole climbing pegs We have a customer who put up a utility pole. We installed to it

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Robert Andrews
Brand new set of hillside homes out this way. $400K range, walk out basements. Unfortunately the sewer lines in the streets are above the walkout basements so they plumbed a whole system of poop pumps to raise wastewater up out of the basements. That's a disqualifies for me. No way am I

Re: [AFMUG] lightwight tablet recomendations for troubleshooting

2018-07-23 Thread Jon Lee
Costco has a version that is coming out. It is available for pre-order on their site. -Jon On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > I saw that looks nice. Its not available until next month and as stupid as > this sounds I don't want to wait. I might though. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/23/18 2:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Reminds me of another story. One of our employees came into my office and said: “Chuck the toilet in the CO has overflowed pretty bad”.  I looked at him like he was an idiot and told him to grab a mop.  Was he “too good” to fix the problem. He came

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
Reminds me of another story. One of our employees came into my office and said: “Chuck the toilet in the CO has overflowed pretty bad”. I looked at him like he was an idiot and told him to grab a mop. Was he “too good” to fix the problem. He came back in about 5 minutes, hangdog look on

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Jones
for the high end redneck: https://express.google.com/u/0/product/16338422043441735737_7563793437947466411_8175035 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM wrote: > Hmmm, starting to let my parsimonious nature win out... > > *From:* Jon Lee > *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2018 3:15 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] Flex conduit power up water tower

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
I think liquidtight would resist sandblast and power washing pretty well. MC not so much. I do a lot of sand blasting and any rubber type of coating holds up well. Any metallic conduit would lose its galvanization with sand blasting. -Original Message- From: Craig House Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Jon Lee
I had a pota-potty in my mobile shop. Over time the grit under the bottom of the holding tank wore a hole in the tank. NOT FUN! And cleaning the damn thing was a pain! I have a five gallon bucket with a BLACK trash bag with some cedar chips in the bottom that we keep in the back of the Subaru for

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nixie tubes

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
I used to be able to answer the office phone before it rang. I could hear the sounds of the electromechanical switchboard through the door of the central office. After a few years your ear starts to learn the patterns of the dialed numbers automatically. Of course, the last four digits were

[AFMUG] Flex conduit power up water tower

2018-07-23 Thread Craig House
In the past we have run PVC or rubberized outdoor SJOOW cord up water towers to get power to the catwalk or our box up top. This city wants it in metal conduit and clamped to the ladder standoffs inside the tank. This is a weird tank. Been doing this for 14 years and it is the first time I

[AFMUG] OT ham radio and other cool tech

2018-07-23 Thread Jon Lee
Hey guys, figured I would share some info on some old tech as well as new. I live in a mountain town in AZ and mentioned at a town meeting that I would be willing to hold a class to help get their amateur ticket. I cam up with a one pager of information to get them started. (that's the old tech)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nixie tubes

2018-07-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
Chuck is so old On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:13 PM wrote: > If I had nothing but time, I would build a relay based finite state > machine to be the calculator. > It would probably take a relay rack or two of relays. Even super tiny pcb > mount relays would take some considerable room when you are

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Mathew Howard
My math puts it close to $2600 for the hardware (you need two duplexors per radio, unless you're doing single polarity only). I think the last one we did was around $600 + FCC fees... which depends on whether or not you already have stuff licensed on either site, and if you're doing multiple

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: when to detach

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
I will take it off for doing central office DC battery work. That is about it. -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: when to detach Congrats and sorry about your luck. Up to you to

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: when to detach

2018-07-23 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Congrats and sorry about your luck. Up to you to figure out which part of the story the congratulations and sorry go with.Hopefully time doesn’t change your answers. 1) Still wearing the ring 25 years later. I used to take it off working on live electrical panels but that was about it,

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
For some reason this thread reminds me of a buddy that got caught in a grid locked snowstorm traffic jam in Seattle. Lunch was not settling too easy. He debated whether to go in the truck or out in traffic. He chose out in traffic. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:25 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Adam Moffett
That's recklessly redneck. On 7/23/2018 4:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Be real careful with those cut pieces of glass, a trip to the toilet could have long term consequences. My cad converted a schoolbus to a camper when we were kids, after looking through all kinds of options, the quickest

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
AF-11FX + Duplexor + 35 dBi antenna x 2 $2200 for the radio as per Gino. What is the lowest cost license going for? $2K? Under $5K for the whole system. Not too bad. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Jones
Be real careful with those cut pieces of glass, a trip to the toilet could have long term consequences. My cad converted a schoolbus to a camper when we were kids, after looking through all kinds of options, the quickest most managable solution was a bucket with a thick garbage sack and a toilet

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nixie tubes

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
If I had nothing but time, I would build a relay based finite state machine to be the calculator. It would probably take a relay rack or two of relays. Even super tiny pcb mount relays would take some considerable room when you are chaining up half adders etc. I think some guy did this and

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Ohh and the added benefit of just 1 radios for spare cause you can change the duplexers … From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Exactly.. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Adam Moffett
I already said the cost was compelling. On 7/23/2018 3:45 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yes, but you really only care about that if you have problems licensing both polarities.  If I can get a complete airfiber link with all the parts and licensed for $5000 that will do 600Mbps, and it's going to

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Mathew Howard
Yes, but you really only care about that if you have problems licensing both polarities. If I can get a complete airfiber link with all the parts and licensed for $5000 that will do 600Mbps, and it's going to cost me $6000 with some other radios to get the same capacity, I don't really care what

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Mathew Howard
Right, as long as you don't need more than that 500-600mbps, and there aren't any issues with licensing both polarities, then it's really hard to justify going with anything other than AF11. It's when you need more capacity than that, or you have limited spectrum to work that things get more

[AFMUG] Tales from the Towers Chapter 65 posted

2018-07-23 Thread Rory Conaway
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Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
“af is a Motorola product” I think there was just a minor earthquake at UBNT HQ From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18 Saf is solid, and price per mbps came in second to a full licensed dragon wave

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Jones
Saf is solid, and price per mbps came in second to a full licensed dragon wave solution 4 or so years ago. Not sure now. But saf has been outstanding, with legitimate support, they almost harass you into getting an issue resolved. No going to the forum to get berated like lower cost solutions.

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
I have to correct my statement, I meant to say: Difficult to compete with AF11x about $2200 with antennas and about 550-600 MBps on a 56 mhz xpic channel (using a 80 ghz license). You can achieve 500-600 on a single xpic channel …there is some loss vs a traditional radio (10-15%) , but the

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
Nice. If I have seen this before I have forgotten about it. So DW is really the low cost leader??? Perhaps make another sheet comparing costs of frequency coordination and licensing between different purveyors of that sort of thing. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:10 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Wireless

2018-07-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/23/18 10:15 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Just about as dead as Trango. Sadly. Of the three PTP licensed MW companies that have recently had significant financial trouble (Dragonwave, Exalt and Trango), only Dragonwave seems to be been the survivor. exaltcom.com now redirects to

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Difficult to compete with AF11x about $2200 with antennas and about 550-600 MBps on a 56 mhz channel (using a 80 ghz license). Latest firmware has 2046QAM … From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Mathew Howard
If I remember right, those radios can do about 650Mbps in an 80mhz channel. Cost was pretty reasonable, as I recall. I don't know about XPIC, but I imagine if you can use different channels on each polarity, you could do 2+0 using two sets of radios. It's been awhile since I priced these, but it

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Jaime Solorza
Oh no the dreaded spreadsheet !!! Our IT director at Tornillo tried to use a spreadsheet argument to try to keep one of our network specialist from taking a better paying job with county... It didn't work4 years later he is earning almost double what he earned at district. Jaime Solorza On

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread chuck
Sumbuddy needs to make a spreadsheet From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18 Divide total throughput / cost … From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown Gino A. Villarini President

Re: [AFMUG] 11 or 18

2018-07-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Divide total throughput / cost … From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Reply-To:

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik & Cambium e410 with VLANS

2018-07-23 Thread Dave
Hit me off list I have the same setup at my office On 07/23/2018 09:32 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: OK, so I know the title doesn't give you much. I evidently have forgotten what little I thought I knew about tik, VLANS, and maybe everything. I am trying to setup a couple of e410's for the new

Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet problems next to FM Antenna

2018-07-23 Thread Dave
We are co-lo'd with a 5K transmitter and similar run but we finally went with Superior essex rigid copper shield cable and used the faraday method of grounding. It was easy since the pmp450i came along we just had to make sure the rj45 was just long enough to connect with the metal grommet have

[AFMUG] Mikrotik & Cambium e410 with VLANS

2018-07-23 Thread Lewis Bergman
OK, so I know the title doesn't give you much. I evidently have forgotten what little I thought I knew about tik, VLANS, and maybe everything. I am trying to setup a couple of e410's for the new office. I want to have standard WiFi employee access on a bridged network so laptops can access servers