Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

I concur, hence why I didn't go that direction. On Friday, August 21, 2020, Ryan Ray wrote: > There is no reason that managed wifi should be that high. > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> The minimum for Plume was 1000 users ($2

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

BTW, if you do buy a WISP, make sure the tower leases and colocation agreements are actual paper agreements, not informal agreements, and see if they are transferable. And watch out for prepaid customer accounts. Like paid quarterly or annual. You will have to provide service for on averag

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

That is hilarious On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:26 PM Ryan Ray wrote: > I don't know about your business, but mine is run so nicely that if > someone bought it, you wouldn't have to do shit all other than billing and > normal troubleshooting. That's why anyone who does a generalized "ISP is > worth

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

It seems like JAB popularized the model of x times gross revenue or $x per subscriber. I think their mindset was literally they were buying customers, and when they got to some magic customer count, they could find a buyer, flip the whole thing and cash out. Also I think the JAB guys came o

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

Say your revenue is $1M per year, but your net income is –$250K. What is that worth? Negative amounts. You would probably have to pay someone to buy it. Another company has revenue of $1M. Net income of +250K year after year. What is it worth. At least $1M. These are income base appro

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

I don't have a lot of acquisition experience. It's been many years since we acquired anyone so take the following with a grain of salt. I would argue that the only thing of value in many WISPs are their customers. So you have to start with how much you think those customers are worth once you

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

The last one we looked at purchasing, the owner wanted "much more than 1x revenue". We knew from experience with the gear they were using, and the way that they had it all put together that it was going to require replacing every bit of gear in the network and in some cases fixing towers themselv

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

5 x ebidta Revenue multiples are of no value. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cjwstudios wrote: > >  > 1x annual revenue and hope the customers stay on > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buyi

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

Anyone got one in the BaWa, Ashburn, Pittsburg area let me know :) On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:26 PM Ryan Ray wrote: > I don't know about your business, but mine is run so nicely that if > someone bought it, you wouldn't have to do shit all other than billing and > normal troubleshooting. That's w

Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

There is no reason that managed wifi should be that high. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > The minimum for Plume was 1000 users ($2K/mo.) with a NCTC membership. I > was told the Plume direct price ranges between $30k-$50k/mo. > > On Thu

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

I don't know about your business, but mine is run so nicely that if someone bought it, you wouldn't have to do shit all other than billing and normal troubleshooting. That's why anyone who does a generalized "ISP is worth x* dollars" doesn't make any sense. It's so dependant on the business and the

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

I heard an “expert” once on a radio show advising small business owners how to prep their business for sale. The advice was to cut costs to inflate EBITDA because that’s what the sale price would be based on. So if the seller followed that advice, network upgrades and maintenance would have be

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

1x annual revenue and hope the customers stay on On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buying an ISP. It > always seems like a lot more money I would have to put out to buy then I > could jus

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buying an ISP. It always seems like a lot more money I would have to put out to buy then I could just build and take the customers if something is wrong with the current network. > On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Google vs Federated

I should have mentioned that Google, Federated and Commscope are also Training Program Administrators for CPI training and certification, but the SAS and TPA choices are independent. I used Commscope for CPI training and they are my TPA. I thought their training and certification process wa

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Google vs Federated

cnMaestro reduces the need for a direct relationship with a SAS provider. However, should anyone want to contact CommScope with questions about our SAS or CBRS in general we're more than willing to help. Our support teams, both technical and customer service, are available around the clock. Eric N

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

On 8/20/20 8:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing There is/was someone in my part of the country buying up ISPs and trying to package them all together as a flip. My ISP customers tell me it's far easier to get the flipper's customers to canc

[AFMUG] OT - landing plane on 212 story building

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE &feature=youtu.be OpenStreetMap typo. Was supposed to be 2 stories. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] GIS VetroMap Contract Help wanted

They start at $750/month per editor, which also includes 4 analysts and 10 viewers (limited user accounts). On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:59 PM wrote: > So, does Vetro cost you? If so how much? > > *From:* Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:33 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Us

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

love/hate you mean On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:59 AM cjwstudios wrote: > Yes definitely not a flip. My last ISP was a 10 year labor of love. > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:14 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 8:5

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

Yes definitely not a flip. My last ISP was a 10 year labor of love. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:14 PM Steve Jones wrote: > I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 8:57 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Sure. Rise/digits and whatever else they were calle

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Google vs Federated

interesting point On 8/20/2020 11:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Commscope is the only choice. I couldn't beta cause our world crashed around us, but commscope has a billion direct contacts. Google isnt even the table. You'll only deal with your sas admin upfront and during a disaster, google has n