Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Chris Fabien
The term that got us cheap power was "unmetered CATV power supply". They allow connection of a fixed capacity power supply unit with no meter, just a small disconnect and drop a 120V 10AWG service and bill us based on half of the power supply's nameplate capacity. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 3:45 PM

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Robert
I read about one of those that is already pre-packaged in a lead coffin.  It does have a bad history with 3 kills and about 1/2 dozen sickened...   You have to provide the deuce and 1/2 with the shielded drivers compartment. On 8/15/23 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I got some old

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I got some old Russian thermo electric generators that are self heating. They are pretty good for things like this. You will have to pick them up though, Sakhalin Island. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Dennis Burgess
You can use 9dot and do your power control, dc in on solar panels 48 volt system..Just another option, lots of reporting and metering there.. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Bill Prince
Electric "can" be more cost effective unless you have to run wires a half kilometer or more. Our first remote POP was not quite a 1/4 mile from the nearest electric source, so we had to trench that distance, run conduit, and run relatively large gauge wires that distance. At that time, the

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Some places have what is called a “street light tariff” that is about as low as you can get. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question I can save you the suspense. If you have access

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread dmmoffett
I can save you the suspense. If you have access to electric that’ll be cheaper than solar. The problem is the need to run 24/7. You have to design around the December-January months. I’m in NY State, and at our latitude we only get a few hours of average production per day during those

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Josh Luthman
OMG get meters. The panels and batteries will cost more up front and they won't last as long. Solar sucks here in Ohio, it's only going to be worse where you're at. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 11:54 AM Steve Jones wrote: > we have a dozen or so, but are looking at pole mount micropops (our own >

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
For critical telecom I always used 20x the load power for panels and 2 weeks of battery autonomy for bad weather. If you can access the site in bad weather to clear off snow or give it an aux charge you can go less. I would still recommend 10 x on the panel size and at least 4 days of battery.

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Steve, Ah ratings are only good for one specific amp discharge. More current = lower Ah. Less current = higher Ah. The full specs of a batter should give you a table or curves showing the different Ah capacity for different draws. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15,

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Josh Luthman
Four 150ah batteries would be a lot more coin than 12v to 48v if you can afford the run time loss. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 9:53 AM Brian Webster wrote: > How many of the batteries do you have? Do you need any voltages other than > the 48 volts? If you have 4 batteries and only need 48 volts

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Steve Jones
we have a dozen or so, but are looking at pole mount micropops (our own poles). We are losing a grain elevator site because they decommissioned the elevator and theres no real options for the customers in some of the areas. Im just trying to get to something we can get solar power with enough

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread Brian Webster
How many of the batteries do you have? Do you need any voltages other than the 48 volts? If you have 4 batteries and only need 48 volts then wire them in series and not have to deal with the converter. Thank you, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread dmmoffett
*You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end of capacity. Lower load usually means a little extra capacity out of the battery. I realized that sentence might have been ambiguous. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:56 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

2023-08-15 Thread dmmoffett
You can do the whole thing in Watts. 12V * 150ah = 1800 Watt-hours 1800Wh / 50W = 36 hours If they’re telling me 95% efficiency, I’d assume 50W out needs 53W in (50 / 0.95). There’s usually an efficiency curve for the device based on load and temperature so it wouldn’t be 95% in all