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From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
We didn't switch to Preseem for the
OK, good explanation. Thanks.
From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
We didn't switch to Preseem for the price. We paid more for saisei when i
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> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
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> I'll say we've used procera, saisei, in the past and they're DPI. They're
> cool and you can do lots of thi
Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
I'll say we've used procera, saisei, in the past and they're DPI. They're cool
and you can do lots of things with the
orts.
From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
For fail over, there is no reason why you should worry. You can easily use OSPF
or other redundancy methods to r
They don’t.
It’s merely a bridge. On either side of it is usually a router…
Richard
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
ug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:46 PM
> To: AFMUG
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
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> A concern that I have with Preseam (or any other vendor like this) is that it
> requires me to put a single box (usually a D
We are currently
> building our second preseem box to split the load ( because they only have
> 10GB interfaces )
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> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:46 PM
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use they only have 10GB
interfaces )
Richard Strittmatter
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:46 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
A concern that I have with Preseam (or any other vendor lik
100% of
> the bandwidth. But we’re never going to solve that one, unless we give
> customers a portal where they can tweak the knobs themselves.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
I'll say we've used procera, saisei, in the past and they're DPI. They're cool
and you can do lots of things
Lucy and Ethel demonstrate bufferbloat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnbNcQlzV-4
From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
Bufferbloat is over-hyped
ver the air. But the
> only time I see latencies soar toward 1 second under load is on my one
> hated WiMAX basestation, and I think that may be due to excessive HARQ
> retries or something.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:59:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
Where is this alleged bufferbloat coming from?
It can’t be from rate queues. The highest we set our Mikrotik queues is around
40 packets before they start dropping packets. We h
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
I looked at a couple variations of buffer bloat management, and have decided to
build my own and maybe just open source the thing for “people who feel 50K
seems excessive” and just need some basic functionality on a vanilla Linux box.
The
: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
Yes, if you’ve looked at all three, that would be fantastic. On list, or off
list to khohhof “at” kwom.com.
If you loved Procera, why did you switch?
From: AF mail
I looked at a couple variations of buffer bloat management, and have decided to
build my own and maybe just open source the thing for “people who feel 50K
seems excessive” and just need some basic functionality on a vanilla Linux box.
The open source tech is out there, it’s just tying it all tog
m:* AF *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
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>> I too have a Procera box currently (the small one that only does 1gig
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. I can’t imagine
that’s an efficient way to do things for a smaller WISP.
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
Everything
* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:19 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
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> I too have a Procera box currently (the small one that only does 1gig
> aggregate) and am at the point of needing to upgrade that and Powercode is
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On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions
I too have a Procera box currently (the small one that only does 1gig
aggregate) and am at the point of needing to upgrade that and Powercode is
Everything I've heard is procera is not supporting small ISP's like wisp's
any longer. They are focusing on the 100k+ wisp's.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 11:20 AM Kurt Fankhauser I too have a Procera box currently (the small one that only does 1gig
> aggregate) and am at the point of needing to upgrade
I too have a Procera box currently (the small one that only does 1gig
aggregate) and am at the point of needing to upgrade that and Powercode is
my billing server and they are saying that the Saisei box is a lot cheaper
than Procera since its just Ubuntu running on your own hardware. They said
most
We outgrew the box is why we switched. We tried to go with procera virtual
which was procera on your own (to their spec) box but it was riddled with
problems. A appliance the next size up with $70k and we were not ready to
drop that kind of money on it. although I kinda wish we would have. Saisei
h
The biggest thing we are looking for is being able to keep customer
experience high even while they're using their plan. Our problem now is
someone will be using 50Mb/s sustained on the down, and their pings go high
and experience is worse than it should be. Trying to get buffer bloat down,
being a
] bandwidth management appliance opinions
Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly happy.
About to do a preseem demo.
I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now.
Adair
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
Also testing out Preseem. Signed up at wispa, just got the boxes in the
network and can't wait to see what it can do.
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Adair Winter
wrote:
> Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly
> happy.
> About to do a preseem demo.
> I can send
Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly
happy.
About to do a preseem demo.
I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now.
Adair
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof Once upon a time there was just Procera. Then there was Saisei and then
> Preseem.
Once upon a time there was just Procera. Then there was Saisei and then
Preseem. As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant, which
bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I'm looking
for.
Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on o
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