Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread David Milholen
Well it cost u $1000 to take it down. Sounds reasonable to me. On 5/3/2015 10:56 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: No. We didn�t even check though. This guys is too uninformed to have any idea what the equipment is worth but when I said they were worth $1000, that�s all he heard. He didn�t

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread David Milholen
Tell him to go after the guy that left there to take up space all those years it wasnt in use. This is why we have an agreement or contract signed before anything or any work happens on our towers. On 5/3/2015 10:56 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: No. We didn�t even check though. This guys is

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
offer to provide him a replacement radio, not cash On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:53 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Tell him to go after the guy that left there to take up space all those years it wasnt in use. This is why we have an agreement or contract signed before anything or

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread Rory Conaway
I did but he isn’t being reasonable. This guy wanted to file theft charges against us for stealing his property off the tower. We do have a contract. We just have to add a clause that says we can take stuff off that’s older than my dog, not plugged in, has damaged cables, and the company

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
definitely sounds like a good reason to look into breaking your contract and go elsewhere On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I did but he isn’t being reasonable. This guy wanted to file theft charges against us for stealing his property off the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread Rory Conaway
We are investigating that also. We have our attorney drafting them a letter telling them they are about to pay us a whole bunch of money doing it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 7:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread David
Heck yeah thats the route I would go also.. One he thinks its his crap (NOT!) two he thinks he can sue for $1000 bucks of worthless crap three he is just being an ASS. Sounds like he wants something for nothing.. Make him work for it LOL On 05/04/2015 09:44 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: We are

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
The money may be in replacing that big omni. If it’s 10 years old, maybe it’s not an MTI diving board, but more like the Pac Wireless ones (part number something like ODH9) with the ports covered by fiberglass that rots away and lets water in. Lots of us have those sitting in our junk pile if

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread Caleb Knauer
If you had written permission to remove something that wasn't yours, then should be pretty clean cut case. If you didn't, and especially if the previous owner had an abandonment clause where anything they abandon goes to the tower owner, then things could get messy. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:44

Re: [AFMUG] What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread Bill Prince
There are no P8 900 MHz anything (APs or SMs). They started at P9. And there are no P11 900s either. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/3/2015 6:50 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: I thought it was P8 on the case but it was definitely a 900Mhz unit. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]

Re: [AFMUG] FW: What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?

2015-05-04 Thread David
There is that :) On 05/04/2015 10:20 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote: If you had written permission to remove something that wasn't yours, then should be pretty clean cut case. If you didn't, and especially if the previous owner had an abandonment clause where anything they abandon goes to the tower

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Shayne Lebrun
Well, here’s what Ubiquiti said when I submitted it as a feature request: Currently, we don't have any plans in doing any addition in the devices now.” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] WTB- Nanobridge pieces

2015-05-04 Thread Ty Featherling
Matt, looks like we are short about 20. -Ty On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: Hey Ty, How many do you need? We probably have a handful around the office if you need a few... -Matt On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Chuck Macenski
Hi, We ARE doing that for a near term release - we plan to use the capacity numbers and it works across all airFiber units. If you want feature additions for airFiber, I suggest you post them on the airFiber forum on the Ubiquiti website. Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Shayne Lebrun

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeahbut this is the official place to hang out... From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 12:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation Hi, We ARE doing that for a near term release - we plan to use the capacity numbers and it works

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Chuck Macenski
True enough... On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yeahbut this is the official place to hang out... *From:* Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2015 12:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Shayne Lebrun
Any timeframe on that? As an aside, that response was from an email to supp...@ubnt.com. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 2:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation Hi, We

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Jeremy
Something tells me that this will dramatically slow Powercode improvements. Will miss you Simon! On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, Jacob isn't a coder is he?? I would think that having a coder working on coding would be beneficial On Mon, May 4,

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I am pretty sure Jacob is not a programmer ... :( Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving! Date: Mon, May 4, 2015 3:43 PM Apparently today is Simon's last day at Powercode.

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Cameron Crum
I asked. I think he even considered it for at least 1 second. He didn't actually say no. Just gave a strategic reply. I'm taking it as he is still considering. On May 4, 2015 8:27 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: LOL :) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ? Confused :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Matt Hardy

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Can’t be a Ubiquiti product ... name doesn’t contain “air” or “tough” or “fi” or “beam”. How about WormBeam, or AirHole. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X Is that Worm with holes ? or Holes in Worms ? Confused :)

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Jeremy
Wait, Jacob isn't a coder is he?? I would think that having a coder working on coding would be beneficial On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Is he running for President? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2015 4:02

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Tyler Treat
I always heard Bertram has a ridiculously broad non-compete - to the point where it might be unenforceable depending on who you ask? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Mathew Howard
I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5 in FDD, but better than any other synced radio I've seen. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Jon Langeler
In Ubiquiti's version of FDD, is it different channel range for the Rx? The risk there is anyone else sees that channel as clear. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing 1-2ms on out AF5x link, not quite as good as an AF5

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Jeremy
I am about to install an AF5X on a 19 mile shot. I'd never do that with AF5. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Wormholes. On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote: The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Simon is the person most responsible for taking PowerCode from an epithet in this industry to one that has a great reputation. I wish him the best! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On May 4, 2015, at 4:43 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Matt Hardy
Exactly :) On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:09 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Wormholes. On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote: The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond?

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
So maybe we need to start a rumor that JAB bought Bertram. From: Tyler Treat Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving! I always heard Bertram has a ridiculously broad non-compete - to the point where it might be unenforceable depending

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
theyre in wisconsin, their no compete has the value of a rat turd in a court room probably I hear that simon is becoming a DJ at a radio station, kbillys super sounds of the seventies On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: So maybe we need to start a rumor that JAB

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode,

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I did. A long time ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:04:50 PM

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Not as long as I thought. http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Beta/AF24-disable-modulations/m-p/671001/highlight/true#M899 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Bill Prince
Think of the air in between as a storage device. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air. I think of it as similar to road construction on one

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Rory Conaway
The AF5x will go down to the 5.1GHz, the AF5 is limited to 5.4GHz. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Sorta like what Ignite finally did my asking by making 60 GHz\5 GHz? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Wormholes. On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote: The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles, transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start transmitting at the same

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air. I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign from STOP to SLOW before the guy at the

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Shayne Lebrun
That link has what is, for us at least, a usable workaround. Set the max modulation to the modulation you generally get. Turn off rate adapt. Then turn on track radio link. If the signal drops enough that the modulation drops at all, down goes the data Ethernet port. Of course, this

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Josh Luthman
AF5x can be used for your 5 GHz backhauls. It rocks. AF5 is full duplex and eats up a ton of spectrum. You're limited to the 23dbi antennas. It is not as good. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Rory

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sounds like adding a “min modulation” setting would do the trick. From: Shayne Lebrun Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation That link has what is, for us at least, a usable workaround. Set the max modulation to

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X

2015-05-04 Thread Bill Prince
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10 miles, transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends could start transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53 microseconds, the

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Chuck Macenski
For which radio; AF24? On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com wrote: Any timeframe on that? As an aside, that response was from an email to supp...@ubnt.com. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Macenski *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2015

[AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread WaveDirect
Apparently today is Simon's last day at Powercode. I don't need to know the why's and all that gossip but I do think we need to give him a good send off and say thanks for taking such good care of his customers. He's been a true professional in our industry and he had advanced Powercode in

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Josh Luthman
I sure hope Jacob gets a hell of a raise. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I hear Simon and Kerry Brown are starting a new company to compete with Powercode.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
I too would like to see this. Modulation/capacity vs link lock. If I have a backup link in place, then there's no reason to hold onto the 24GHz path if it's faded out so much that the backup link has more capacity available. And I will say it again.. it would be really cool to have 24GHz FDD

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Chuck McCown
I hear Simon and Kerry Brown are starting a new company to compete with Powercode. (That is a total lie. I heard no such thing. But if I wanted to stir the pot I would surely say such a thing. But since I am not a pot stirrer, I will not say such a thing. Only think it for fun...)

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation

2015-05-04 Thread Shayne Lebrun
AF24HD. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 3:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation For which radio; AF24? On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is he running for President? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 4:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N! Simon is Leaving! I sure hope Jacob gets a hell of a raise. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon,

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Cameron Crum
He's coming to work for us. Maybe but probably not. Almost. On May 4, 2015 7:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I am pretty sure Jacob is not a programmer ... :( Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org

Re: [AFMUG] Noooo! Simon is Leaving!

2015-05-04 Thread Josh Reynolds
LOL :) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/04/2015 05:23 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: He's coming to work for us. Maybe but probably not. Almost. On May 4, 2015 7:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I am pretty sure