Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

what about cat videos? I understand they're pretty easy to stream - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps It is easier to stream fish too... From: Josh Luthm

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

\yes, horrible.. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps That's bad - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --

[AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

Clearing some space out today. All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT Radios. Canopy FSK 2.4 SM Canopy FSK 5.7 SM Canopy FSK 900 APC Canopy 5280 BH50 - 3 Complete Links Available JMounts - 12 New UBNT Rocket M2 - 2 New and 1 Used We also have 20-30 used stingers if you need any.

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

This guy: "I'd say 25Mbits is the least people can use with a mostly usable internet. And I"m saying Mbits instead of Mbps so people understand we are talking bits, not bytes." I need him in customer service or as a tower monkey. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:07 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cybe

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

You're selling Jpoles??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote: > Clearing some space out today. All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT > Radios. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Well, I think 10Mbps is probably average now. That is a 10Mbps available during peak hours. Per 100 customers that is 1Gbps available. That is where I think we need to concentrate more efforts. I would like the focus to shift from the end mile to the middle mile and back end. Every one of us

[AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is that better or worse than no prices at all? MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away. Would it be better without any prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuc

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I would also say this is a fair number, with a Netflix HD stream drawing 6 meg, 10 would be enough that the rest of the users would not notice a big slowdown for other internet uses while a video stream is active. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

You want mounting feet? Like the ones that come with Beehive or KP Dishes? Bring a truck, how many do you want? $5/each or make an offer. Mark > On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > You're selling Jpoles??? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

One small comment is that for 100 customers you generally don’t need close to Gig. It’s typically more like 800-1000 customers per Gig depending on your customer base usage and size…. I realize this goes without saying … and over time I think we’ll all agree that oversub ratios are changing

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

When I first started I just went with the cheapest option. That was a bad move. Nowadays I shop for what works best and isn't over priced. I'd strongly suggest just putting $99 MSRP and people will know that isn't what you actually pay. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 11

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that price is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if ordering in higher quantities. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Messa

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

I might grab some from you down the road, with the Beams/Force110 we've had to buy some. I just got some boxes last month. I was surprised he is selling his, I would think an ongoing operation would need them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy,

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some idea what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people off if it's set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on something that all the dealers sell for $29. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM,

[AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help with the pins for the rj 45? thx

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:********, Re: Radio Equipment For Sale

Yes, I have tons of them. We don’t use them for every install. I need to keep my shelf space free for new gear coming in. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfic

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

Don't you need the PIDU for a PTP600? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Gerlach wrote: > we want to install a PTP 600 on a Netonix switch..can somebody help > with the pins for the rj 45? > > thx >

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

If so maybe you could wire the blue/brown pairs at 48v directly to the PIDU? Then use another port for actual Ethernet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > Don't you need the PIDU f

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

Can't you just read online or use a volt meter on your existing POE, it's not really as complicated as you are making it out to be to identify which POE scheme that each type of radio uses... On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > If so maybe you could wire the blue/brown pairs

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

How about just posting the realistic prices on the website? Why is that not the solution? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some > idea what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people >

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

We dont advertise our capable speeds but our techs when doing an install and run a speedtest to our servers, they see on average a 26 to 30Mbs connection. This is on our pmp450 3.65 gear. Our line of site 450 5G stuff we see around 60 70mbs. Up streams vary but we see around 15 to 30 on average.

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

Because it pisses off the dealer network. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:10 PM, TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

3-5ms to google from a customer? On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, David wrote: > We dont advertise our capable speeds but our techs when doing an install > and run a speedtest to our servers, they see on average > a 26 to 30Mbs connection. This is on our pmp450 3.65 gear. > Our line of site 450

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

It's Friday already? Sweet! On 9/15/2015 10:44 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote: Clearing some space out today. All used gear except J Mounts and UBNT Radios. Canopy FSK 2.4 SM Canopy FSK 5.7 SM Canopy FSK 900 APC Canopy 5280 BH50 � 3 Complete Links Available JMou

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium CRC error OID??

This is aggregated into the standard IF-MIB via ifInErrors. That also gives you all the other Rx error counters. So if you're graphing that, you don't really know exactly which counter is causing the errors. One example is rxOverrun. But it's easy enough to just log into the radio and see what'

Re: [AFMUG] Radio Equipment For Sale

I didn't put Qty of each, sorry about that. Hit me up off list. I have tons of this stuff. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you

[AFMUG] Canopy 450i AP

Anyone got any yet? Deployed?

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Most people that I come into contact with realize that there are at least some trade offs with living in rural areas - such as no Netflix HD in certain circumstances. I wouldn't think that would be criteria for someone to be dissatisfied with their internet connection. There is also a difference

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

You said it. They sometimes price war with each other. From: Tyler Treat Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT? Because it pisses off the dealer network. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. _

[AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

I remember when we were paying $600/T1 so $388/Mbps Then a few years later we though we got a screaming deal at $38 Mbps on a 100M pipe. Then $16 Then $8 Then $4 and we thought we died and gone to heaven. Then $2 last year and wondered how low it can go. Now, under $1. Not going to say how

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Port sizes have also grown tremendously. I wonder if the total bill has changed much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 5:35:29 PM Subject: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Rj45 has never changed I don't think. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 15, 2015 6:44 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Port sizes have also grown tremendously. I wonder if the total bill has > changed much. > > > > - > Mike Hamme

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

What port size, and commit? Carrier? > Now, under $1. > Not going to say how far under $1 but significantly under $1. > > It is converging at zero, just like long distance charges.

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

I have a neighbor that is paying about 75 cents from Hurricane Electric. 10 Gig port. 1 Gig commit. Not gonna say where I am getting mine for various reasons. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges What por

[AFMUG] wind mill farm question

Guys I just want to know if I am going have any issues with placing tower around an wind mill farm or not? I just want to know if I am going have interference or getting signal to customers from tower going through an wind mill farm? Tim

Re: [AFMUG] wind mill farm question

I estimate we take a momentary 1-2 dB hit each time a fiberglass blade goes through the path. Oddly, they affect the signal even when they are not directly in the path. Cambium alignment tone makes it easy to hear this when the blades are turning. The worst situation seems to be when the win

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

I remember when we were paying $2,000 per T1... and thought we had hit the jackpot when we signed a new contract at $1,500/T1. At one point in our network of old, we had 8 T1 lines for bandwidth, from three different providers. LOL Travis On 9/15/2015 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I remembe

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

> http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/verizon-5g-wireless/ So how are they doing 50 times the throughput vs current LTE?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

BFM On Sep 15, 2015 5:27 PM, "Matt" wrote: > > http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/verizon-5g-wireless/ > > So how are they doing 50 times the throughput vs current LTE? >

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

AT&T Mobility CEO decided to be somewhat more truthful: http://www.cnet.com/news/at-t-mobility-ceo-lets-not-get-too-excited-about-5g-yet/ From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster,5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Hmm... Interesting... Hurricane Electric, while inexpensive is known NOT To sell partial commit... Only Full Ports... i.e you either get a 1gig port or 10gig port.. 1gig ports a less than $750... 10g ports are in the $3200 range... One the 10g side there are others who will match the $$ tab

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Will Test Faster, 5G Technology in 2016 - Fortune

They aren't. IF they have it running in a lab - which it doesn't sound like they do - they might see something in the ballpark of what they're describing. Results in the real world will be nowhere near as impressive. On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, Matt wrote: > > http://fortune.com/2015/09/08/v

Re: [AFMUG] wind mill farm question

we have hundreds of them around us, other than the very obvious path issue potential, there is no RF related issue. When the first major round went in, we were using alvarion baii, which was very dependent on a good ground at the subscriber (you would get zapped on a tower). When they went live we

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

we just got quoted 500 bucks for a gig if we can get to it, its a company we didnt recognize, in an area there is no reason for that type of pipe to be present, so its suspicious We pay less for our newer upstream with 6x the bandwidth than we do for our existing one. when we did the price compari

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth charges

Who's the company you didn't recognize? Also, you're usually better off with transport to a carrier hotel and doing your business there than buying it delivered to your door. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "T

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I fucking love it! once I found out MSRP meaning means the top dollar the douchiest vendor will charge, It made my day. I like going to mfg to get specs, and when they show what they expect the max retail price to be, it shows me two things, how much they value their product and how to identify the

[AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on these pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the basics rssi, cinr 1 cinr 2 etc. Any ethernet stats would be nice. RIght know we have random loss to the subs, im guessing its something to do with some interference, But it could

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

I used to monitor all kinds of stuff in the 320 SM. The MIB was accurate and I didn't bump into any that didn't work. On 9/15/2015 11:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: I need to know OIDS (numeric) that can be monitored successfully on these pieces of shit. Im stuck with it. We have the bas

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

Do you want it from the AP http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.DAN-BASIC-MIB-ADMIN.html Or the CPEs? http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.Motorola-CPE-PRIVATE-MIB.html On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

half those would never graph: for example danEthRxTotalBytes Object ID: 1.3.1.4.1.32584.1.8.13.5 Total number of bytes received. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > D

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

Try putting a .0 at the end of that OID and see if it then starts graphing. That's common with a lot of OIDs. Also, how the hell would they not support the standard IF-MIB interface OID tree. I assume you've tried that anyway. I don't have any of that shit to test against. A walk of .1.3.6.1.2

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

Try putting a .0 at the end of that OID and see if it then starts graphing. That's common with a lot of OIDs. Also, how the hell would they not support the standard IF-MIB interface OID tree. I assume you've tried that anyway. I don't have any of that shit to test against. A walk of .1.3.6.1

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

i dont think anyone here has ever been able to monitor throughput that i recall. I tried the .0 witht he counter, still a 0 (powercode) On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Try putting a .0 at the end of that OID and see if it then starts > graphing. That's common with a lo

Re: [AFMUG] 320 monitoring OIDs

On 9/16/2015 12:36 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i dont think anyone here has ever been able to monitor throughput that i recall. I tried the .0 witht he counter, still a 0 (powercode) I'm pretty sure I did monitor throughput. I don't have the 320 anymore so can't say for sure.

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

the netonix Switch is a POE switch with 1.4 A, so it must be possible to connect the PTP directly to the Switch without PIDU 2015-09-15 19:09 GMT+02:00 TJ Trout : > Can't you just read online or use a volt meter on your existing POE, it's > not really as complicated as you are making it out to be

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

Not necessarily. It may require a more smart device than simply passive power or active power like 802.3af/at. I remember someone saying the PIDUs did some fancy stuff that you can see on the ground without even having access to the radio. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

The excel I posted not long ago lists the per-pin voltage but it's not guarantee to work due to the signalling between the PIDU and radio which also carries reset signal and "ethernet" LED status as Josh noted. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Gerlach wrote: > we want to install a PTP 60

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

in your post was no sheet, the attachment was missing.. 2015-09-16 7:14 GMT+02:00 Colin Stanners : > The excel I posted not long ago lists the per-pin voltage but it's not > guarantee to work due to the signalling between the PIDU and radio which > also carries reset signal and "ethernet" LED stat

Re: [AFMUG] Pins Poe PTP 600

can you send it to me.thx 2015-09-16 7:37 GMT+02:00 Daniel Gerlach : > in your post was no sheet, the attachment was missing.. > > 2015-09-16 7:14 GMT+02:00 Colin Stanners : >> The excel I posted not long ago lists the per-pin voltage but it's not >> guarantee to work due to the signalling betwee

[AFMUG] which WB surge protector for Ubiquiti AC products?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net "There are two theories on catching the knuckleball... unfortunately, neither of the theories work.

[AFMUG] Cambium CRC error OID??

Is there a OID for CRC errors on the Ethernet?? If not can we get it??  — Sent from Mailbox

Re: [AFMUG] which WB surge protector for Ubiquiti AC products?

Gige-hv for everything. One standard unit that works across all devices and sites. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 15, 2015 7:08 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > > > > > *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* > > *4226 S. 37th

[AFMUG] RF Shields

Is anyone having APs heat up with the RF shields for Rocket M5 and sector antennas? Thx

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium CRC error OID??

It's in the standard if MIB.on Canopy. If you're talking about ePMP then I don't know. On 9/15/2015 7:23 AM, Work wrote: Is there a OID for CRC errors on the Ethernet?? If not can we get it?? — Sent from Mailbox

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying. Let’s declare that to be the new minimal requirement, and shame the food industry into providing this Nation Wide, including the most urban areas (Far away from the cows). Additionally this should be done at or below the cost of a ½ pound ha

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

When I stream a burger I want at least twice that. From: Wireless Administrator Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps A burger needs to be at least 1lb to be satisfying. Let’s declare that to be the new minimal requirement,

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I look at the 10 meg standard as a good thing... it puts a serious check on those saying you must have gigabit to the home... when we all know that's ridiculous. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Wireless Admini

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Burgers offend me. I much prefer fish. Because of my preference, you can't order any burgers at restaurants of my choice. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 15, 2015 9:22 AM, "Wireless Administrator" wrote: > A burger needs to

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

It is easier to stream fish too... From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps Burgers offend me. I much prefer fish. Because of my preference, you can't order any burgers at restaurants of my choice. Josh Lut

Re: [AFMUG] GigE DC PoE Injectors

There is also this for AirFiber: http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-gigabit-poe-injector-for-airfiber/ On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. < mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote: > I found the Tyconpower models for AirFiber... > > TP-DCDC-2456G-VHP (24 Input) > TP-DC

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

That's bad - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:34:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps It is easier to stream fish too

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I like that one …… LOL Steve B. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps That's bad - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ic

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

You wear an earring and Birkenstocks? Fish my eye On Sep 15, 2015 7:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Burgers offend me. I much prefer fish. Because of my preference, you > can't order any burgers at restaurants of my choice. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 W

Re: [AFMUG] OT - more Ukrainian microwave videos

Do you really think crazy Ukrainians would use safety equipment even if they did have it? On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Those crazy guys in Ukraine are still at it. In addition to frying stuff > with a magnetron, their latest video shows you how to get free Internet. I

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

I'm offended that burgers offend you. I demand that fish be removed from all restaurants... except for when I want it. On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Burgers offend me. I much prefer fish. Because of my preference, you > can't order any burgers at restaurants of my choi

Re: [AFMUG] RF Shields

nope.. but when I removed a RM5 from one of those shield boxes after a few years, it had a nice tan ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Sol

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

They do it naturally. bp On 9/15/2015 6:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: It is easier to stream fish too... *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 10Mbps

you did that too? Lol. "if peoples stuff buffers, obviously their provider doesn't know how to stream..." yahi know : / - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Users need at least 1