Re: [AFMUG] BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)

2017-09-04 Thread Paul Stewart
I never found anything exciting about them … (and yes have wasted money on buying some of them a number of years ago) … they change outbound routing because that’s the only thing they can control (and perhaps the latest generation can influence your inbound routes) but I found they spit out fanc

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread timreichhart
Mike if you can send it to me also that would be great. Tim   -Original Message- From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Date: 09/03/17 09:07 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact Thank you Mike! -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "timreichhart" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:11:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact Mi

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)

2017-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
There are a few that influence inbound routes as well, which would be of interest to eyeballs. There's even one or two that charge based on outgoing utilization, but influence inbound routes. That's great for an eyeball. It does allow one to purchase from networks with likely more congestion th

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

2017-09-04 Thread Josh Luthman
JT is who I work with on the DT, he's pretty sharp and gets the job done. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > Point taken > > On Sep 2, 2017 6:01 PM, "Darin Steffl" wrote: > >> Stev

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Chris Fabien
Mike do you have any info you can share about what the process and costs involved in this would be? On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Sent offlist. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
I haven't completed the process. Largely just found the contacts after my power company saying they required agreements with AT&T and Frontier as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From:

Re: [AFMUG] easy backup link failover

2017-09-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
OSPF cost for backup route definitely needs to be higher... you can standardize all you want on some numbering system but as your network grows and you need to push some traffic in some directions and not others you will need the flexibility to manipulate path costs quite a bit. On Sun, Sep 3, 201

[AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I'm starting to get worried if the US tries to punish China for North Korea what does this mean for wireless radios that are made in China? Will we not be able to import them anymore? We rely quite a bit on products made in China for our everyday lives. I use alot of Ubiquiti products and if i can

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread chuck
Walmart much bigger problem From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios... I'm starting to get worried if the US tries to punish China for North Korea what does this mean for wireless

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Bill Prince
Well, if it is typical for this administration, whatever "plan" they come up with will not have been thought through, with little or no regard what the whole consequences will be. Name one thing that you use daily that does not have some component made in China. bp On 9/4/2017 8:56 AM, Ku

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Josh Reynolds
​Edit: I just realized my mail got stuck in draft.​ Walmart and therefore most Americans would be severely impacted by the loss of cheap goods. Tech imports come to a halt. Etc ​. It's far larger than all that, I'm just touching on a small part of the surface issues. ​ Nasty, nasty stuff. At t

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Josh Reynolds
The short version of this, is that for the first time since April 30th, 1975 (end of Vietnam War) the American people might actually realize we are at war. They've largely been excluded from that fact for almost 17 years now. This however, would be a much more conventional battle. We are REALLY goo

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Steve Jones
Foxconn is coming here (IPhone) Taiwan is hoping this goes down, their sovereignty is on the table Philippines and Malaysia used to produce, probably a lot of shuttered factories we haven't closed the door on cuba yet There is no shortage of slave labor nations, china knows this. When you rely on t

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread chuck
Lets invoke Lent... From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios... Foxconn is coming here (IPhone) Taiwan is hoping this goes down, their sovereignty is on the table Philippines and Malaysia

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Josh Reynolds
> We actually have a great deal of bargaining power in all this. No, that's folly. It's economic M.A.D. It would crash both the US and Chinese economies... would also impact Taiwan / HK. As far as tech stuff, we'd be fucked for a few years. China has 85-95% of the world's rare earth mining capac

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
Any notice how Lentish I have been? I pray for Divine Intervention.. maybe we should return FRB call that we received August 15have a nice day! On Sep 4, 2017 11:00 AM, wrote: > Lets invoke Lent... > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, September 4, 2017 10:44 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Our only hope here is China gets serious and steps up and imposes its own sanctions against North Korea so that we don't have to cut China off from our economy. On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > We actually have a great deal of bargaining power in all this. > > No, that's

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Rory Conaway
There is no way China let's North Korea affect their economy. They will take Kim out long before that happens. The only reason the Chinese Communist Party stays in power is because of its economy. And that control only works if growth is at 7% or more. If that growth stagnates or their eco

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Robert Andrews
Then we better get our act back together on rare-earth minerals.. On 09/04/2017 09:44 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Foxconn is coming here (IPhone) Taiwan is hoping this goes down, their sovereignty is on the table Philippines and Malaysia used to produce, probably a lot of shuttered factories we hav

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Robert Andrews
There is an amazing rare-earth deposit that was supposed to be opened up in Alaska, but alas, it was deemed to valuable a nature resource.. It could have been opened up carefully, but instead might end up being opened up in a mad rush. guess what would have been better for the environment..

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Josh Reynolds
Anything that would affect the fishing economy there would be no-bueno. On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > There is an amazing rare-earth deposit that was supposed to be opened up in > Alaska, but alas, it was deemed to valuable a nature resource.. It could > have been ope

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Rory Conaway
Yea, that is a critical issue. We need to get that mine open. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios... T

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Robert Andrews
That sounds like the "checkers defense" I think this is more chess. Keep us worried about nukes in N. Korea and we won't worry about movements in the south china sea... On 09/04/2017 10:21 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: There is no way China let's North Korea affect their economy. They will take

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Josh Reynolds
They may be counting on letting the stakes raise enough until they can say "Hey, we'll take care of this NK problem for you if you concede the SC sea..." On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > That sounds like the "checkers defense" I think this is more chess. Keep > us worrie

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Rory Conaway
Good point. It has distracted us from their other expansionism. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Robert Andrews
Inside of a mountain... Far from fishing grounds. On 09/04/2017 10:26 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Anything that would affect the fishing economy there would be no-bueno. On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: There is an amazing rare-earth deposit that was supposed to be opened

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Robert Andrews
It's also Putin's game of choice... We have a government that is so wrapped up in it's own corruption that we can't focus on keeping pace with our competitors... On 09/04/2017 10:30 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: Good point. It has distracted us from their other expansionism. Rory -Original M

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Jon Langeler
Trump is just the 'signature', the military is the planner. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > I'm starting to get worried if the US tries to punish China for North Korea > what does this mean for wireless radios that are made i

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread chuck
I don’t think they are picking up what we are laying down We will just lay it between the lines here and see if the light bulbs start to go on... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:21 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless ra

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...

2017-09-04 Thread Mike Hammett
Nothing is going to happen against China. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:56:34 AM Subject: [AFMUG] North Kore

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Adam Moffett
I've done it with other companies, but not Frontier. What did you want to know? -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Fabien" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/4/2017 10:54:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact Mike do you have any info you can share about what the process

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Chris Fabien
Cost, approval process, can you do the work yourself, do you have to be a CLEC? On Sep 4, 2017 4:05 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > I've done it with other companies, but not Frontier. What did you want to > know? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chris Fabien" > To: af@afmug.com > Sen

[AFMUG] OT: Home Automation etc

2017-09-04 Thread Paul Stewart
Just a shameless plug for my new blog I started back up a few weeks back …. It touches on home automation (which I know in previous discussions many folks on here find interesting) and a bit of home improvement stuff etc…. https://paulstewart.org if you’re interested :) Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Chuck McCown
Generally you don’t have to be a CLEC for anything. You can do most of the work yourself. The thing that gets you is the “make ready” stuff. You can be on the hook for total pole replacement costs of your plant overloads the pole. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:09 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

2017-09-04 Thread Adam Moffett
What he said. Getting a pole attachment contract doesn't cost much. Verizon had an application fee and some pretty specific insurance and bonding requirements. Not free, but nothing crazy. The hardest part so far has been getting in touch with the correct person. You ask around about "pol

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

2017-09-04 Thread Brian Webster
I was part of the group who went down to help Mac after Katrina. I think we were about a week or two after by the time we got there. There was plenty to do even then. Rick Harnish, John Scrivner, Jim Patient and others were there as well. As much as everyone wants to help, sometimes rushing

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

2017-09-04 Thread George Skorup
I'm sure Gino and Mike in PR and VI are prepping. Stay safe down there guys!

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

2017-09-04 Thread Jaime Solorza
Prayers headed their way.. On Sep 4, 2017 9:03 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > I'm sure Gino and Mike in PR and VI are prepping. Stay safe down there > guys! >