Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

I knew there was a reason I liked you On 4/3/18 7:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I am a ski only snob... -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 7:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon Alta! On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Fsk 2.4 900 5.4

Vlad told me all he wants is baicells stuff.. im not saying rick harnish is in bed with the russians, but patrick told me hed beat me up if i told you rick was collaborating.. maybe even colluding. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:04 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > It's the Russians

Re: [AFMUG] Fsk 2.4 900 5.4

It's the Russians or Aliens. .. company I do work for has about 200 5GHz Canopy radios. If you find a place , please let knowSpasibo Comrade. Dobrynochi Jaime Solorza On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 9:00 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Not friday, im calling a mulligan for abiding

[AFMUG] Fsk 2.4 900 5.4

Not friday, im calling a mulligan for abiding by lent. Before the junker tosses these pcbs in the river, does anyone have a use for these? I even have a couple 5.4 cyclone APs, though shipping alone will probably get you into a whole epmp solution. I tried reaching out on this warehouse dump to

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Yeah, I am a ski only snob... -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 7:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon Alta! On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

Yeah, but if the entire thing is contained inside a 2' square box, the difference in wiring between 48v and 24v isn't really anything to be concerned about. I don't think there's much of a difference in efficiency between upconverting and downconverting, and I can't see what else is going to

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

That's what I was thinking too. I haven't ever been able to find any actual numbers that say how much lack of temperature charging voltage compensation affects batteries, but from what I have been able to find, it appeared to me that the temperature of the batteries is a much bigger problem

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

I miss Alta... I started to move up the ranks of the room lists there, one prior life ago... On 4/3/18 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Well... I tried. At Alta, they have free skiing on the rope tow/pommel lift area. Good for kids as they don't have to be faced with a chair lift their first

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Alta! On 4/3/18 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

It's always easier to down-convert from 48V to 24V, mainly because of the current considerations. 48 watts at 48 volts is one amp, but when pulled from a 24V system, you end up with 2 amps. At 24 volts, the current demands can mean you have to use bigger wire to support everything. At small

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

I have never used temp compensation. And I have put lotsa batts in un airconditioned and un heated shelters. I think the lack of HVAC kills them much more than temp co charging voltages. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 6:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traco

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

How much is enough to matter? Without temperature compensation you're undercharging all winter and overcharging all summer. My understanding is that's going to permanently reduce your capacity. Even if you have climate control, the battery makes heat when charging and discharging, so if

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Well... I tried. At Alta, they have free skiing on the rope tow/pommel lift area. Good for kids as they don't have to be faced with a chair lift their first day. Once they have the basics down, then you can take them to Brighton for free skiing until they are 10. -Original Message-

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Did you teach him to turn? Last time I went skiing with you, you pointed the skis straight down the mountain…. Mark > On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Teaching my British grandsons to ski. > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

Teaching my British grandsons to ski. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 5:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon You going sledding? bp On 4/3/2018 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

What's that white stuff all over the place? Jaime Solorza On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 4:35 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > > > > > Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

7,8 + 4,5- is standard canopy pinout, has to be that way for sync over power. Add: 3,6 + 1,2- for 450m. The 450m just wants two positive and two negatives, it really doesn't care which ones. The ones I mentioned above seem to be the standard canopy method of doing this. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018,

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

You going sledding? bp On 4/3/2018 3:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT my afternoon

If it wasn't April, and snowing, I'd say that's real pretty... On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 5:35 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > > > > > Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

There are more CDNs than Netflix and they all do it a little bit differently. One of them absolutely requires that your resolver and your clients be reachable without using the global Internet (on an IX, in-network cache, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

Mode B is what I am pretty sure I need. Correct me if I am wrong. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: > I am not using sync over power with the 450M. It is getting sync over the > aux port. > Just looking for gigabit 96w on all 4 pairs. > > On Tue, Apr 3,

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

I am not using sync over power with the 450M. It is getting sync over the aux port. Just looking for gigabit 96w on all 4 pairs. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 10:59 AM, George Skorup wrote: > See the diagram? Far left, straight over from the jumpers. > > Left to right: Source

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

I didn't realize the BCMU had temperature controlled charging... that would be an advantage, but if you have it in a box with a power supply, switch and such, it's going to stay pretty warm in the winter anyway... we don't heat or cool any of our boxes, and the majority don't even have

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

Hi Darin, If you want to chat off list I can tell you about our experience with this set up. We are a fellow Minnesota WISP and have had great luck with this set up. SDR DR-UPS 40 TPDIN Web2 The charging has definitely not been a problem. We run a heater and a fan anyway in the cabinet.

Re: [AFMUG] RP-5AC-Gen2 success stories?

We are having good success with the Prism Gen2 APs. They seem to do well, even in heavy noise and old M5 CPEs. Jim Bouse Owner Brazos WiFi - Fast and Reliable Internet 979-985-5912 j...@brazoswifi.com From: Af On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:40 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

The one thing that worries me about using the DR-UPS40 is that it doesn't have temperature controlled charging like BCMU does. So we would have to set one charging voltage that is static which will be under voltage in the winter and over voltage cooking the batteries in the summer when the box is

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

I'm the Netonix would be doing any voltage up/down conversion you'd need to do in that setup anyway, so I don't really see much advantage to 24v vs 48v one way or the other. In a setup like that, I'd personally just use the Meanwell SDR-240-24 with a Meanwell DR-UPS40, and do 24v batteries,

Re: [AFMUG] RP-5AC-Gen2 success stories?

why not bump it to a 450i or 450m running in sector mode? (they where just running a really awesome promotion for this..) It looks like the legacy PMP450 clients support 40mhz channels, but they can't individually pass much more then what a 20mhz channel allows (or maybe 70-80mbit?) Joe On

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

Be aware that the BCMU-360 does the following: Only sustains at 240w Only outputs about 45v when running on batteries. We have started using a step up kit to bring it back to 48v+ Paul From: Af On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:50 PM To:

[AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

Hey guys, We're looking at fine tuning our DC power solution for sites using more than 75w of power. We're setting in with using the Traco BCMU-360 with a Meanwell SDR-240-24 or 48 volts power supply. If we're using the Traco UPS unit, is there any advantage to using 24v vs 48v power supply? It

[AFMUG] RP-5AC-Gen2 success stories?

We are considering trying the RP-5AC-Gen2 radios. We have a couple areas of the network we need to upgrade now if possible. Can't wait until August or whenever to get ePMP3000 APs in the air So, I have heard that UBNT finally has their stuff together on the GPS sync. I need to use 40 MHz

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Little time to setup? It's 30 minutes figuring out where the router is, let alone them getting into it and making that change. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Yeah, I know, but if there's an extra ~25ms of latency over using a local DNS server, it seems pretty unlikely it's going to get better overall performance. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > It's more than just ping time. You have to do actual DNS queries

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

It's more than just ping time. You have to do actual DNS queries and compare the results. Travis On 4/3/2018 10:44 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: I'm getting 26ms to 1.1.1.1 and 6ms to 8.8.8.8 On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:37 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

See the diagram? Far left, straight over from the jumpers. Left to right: Source A /  +7&8 / -4&5 / nc3&6 / nc1&2 Set 3&6 to + and 1&2 to - Connect +48/56VDC to PowerA, negative/return to common. You must leave it -4&5, +7&8 if you expect to provide sync over power to a 450i. The radio will

[AFMUG] Service Request

Anyone Service the Fayetteville Arkansas area mainly Cave Springs Arkansas. I did little prodding on wispa site and fixing to hit Tower coverage to see who may be in the area. Thanks Dave --

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

I'm getting 26ms to 1.1.1.1 and 6ms to 8.8.8.8 On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:37 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > i saw 18 ms to cloudfair, 15 ms to google > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Seth Mattinen > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

i saw 18 ms to cloudfair, 15 ms to google - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: > I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Good question. Google is all about collecting and monetizing data. Cloudflare says they're intentionally not collecting data because they don't want to be responsible for it. PR? Brand awareness? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

On 4/3/18 8:17 AM, Robert wrote: Cloudflare has also screwed-the-pooch at least once in a major way that got national headlines... There's a Quad9 9.9.9.9 node here, and of all of them, PCH's motivations are the least commercial in nature.

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech rack mount surge suppressor with Medusa

Forrest, Please forgive me for my ignorance, but what jumpers are needed to make this puppy gigabit for the Cambium Medusa? I see: Pin 1 Upper 2, Pin 2 Upper 2, Pin3 Bottom 2, Pins 4 and 5 Upper1 Or is there documentation on how to set these puppies? Thanks Sam On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:08 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

For Google or Cloudflare? bp On 4/3/2018 8:31 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: What’s in it for them? *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2018 9:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new DNS We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

What’s in it for them? From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 9:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1 (2ms RTT). Might be inclined to do a blend. bp On 4/3/2018 8:21 AM, Matt

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

I imagine Google somehow monetizes the data they get from use of their DNS serviceso if losing DNS "market share" costs them something then maybe they will do something like you say. Pure speculation though. -- Original Message -- From: "Cassidy B. Larson" To:

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Wondering if Google is going to up their game and announce 8.8.8.8 from their GGC cache clusters so it’s faster/closer than the 1.1.1.1 Cloudflare clusters. > On Apr 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

We seem to be close to both 8.8.8.8 (3ms RTT), and 1.1.1.1 (2ms RTT). Might be inclined to do a blend. bp On 4/3/2018 8:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Well then. I’ll put a few more routers in my network. So they have to put equipment in my datacenter. :) On Apr 3,

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Well then. I’ll put a few more routers in my network. So they have to put equipment in my datacenter. :) > On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:18, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Cloudflare has posted that their goal is to be within 10ms of every ISP in > the world. So they're adding their

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Cloudflare has posted that their goal is to be within 10ms of every ISP in the world. So they're adding their to gear to regional datacenter's and peering exchanges, not just major ones. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:16 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Cloudflare has also screwed-the-pooch at least once in a major way that got national headlines... On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: The new cloudflare dns is 3ms away from our core, opendns and Google are 12ms away. And I believe that cloudflare can run way more reliable dns than we

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and reliability built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache rate will be much higher than our own servers as well. Oh well I host 6 root servers for redundancy: D, E, F, J, K,

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

The new cloudflare dns is 3ms away from our core, opendns and Google are 12ms away. And I believe that cloudflare can run way more reliable dns than we can. They also use anycast so if their Minneapolis pop had trouble, we'll route to the next closest pop like Chicago. I would like to host our

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

I have heard that mikrotik has an acceptable dns caching server built in maybe start there? I don't know if does full recursive lookups using the root tree. For some reason everyone over estimates what is really needed for robust caching dns. You can safely use even a couple of raspberry

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Hi folks, This has been a really timely discussion for us as we are wrestling with the same kinds of questions as Adam mentions. With enough time (resources) and money, we would put a very robust DNS at each Direct Internet Access drain point. However, we have been aggressively moving to

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Google is connected to what's important to Google. Cloudflares business model, like any cdn, means it needs to be connected everywhere. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 9:14 AM Matt Hoppes wrote: > Naw... not a router ID. > > traceroute to 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1), 64 hops max,

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Naw... not a router ID. traceroute to 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 172.16.0.1 (172.16.0.1) 3.317 ms 0.878 ms 0.847 ms 2 10.200.90.85 (10.200.90.85) 1.016 ms 1.028 ms 0.986 ms 3 10.200.90.25 (10.200.90.25) 10.454 ms 17.965 ms 24.062 ms 4 10.200.90.33

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Traceroute that. Look at the route for it. You might have used it for an OSPF router ID. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 9:04 AM Matt Hoppes wrote: > So. > > 8.8.8.8 > Query time: 40 msec > > 1.1.1.1 > Query time: 2 msec > > 172.16.0.21 > Query time: 30 msec > > >

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Never mind apparently we weren't cached.. 172.16.0.21 Query time: 3 msec On 4/3/18 10:04 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: So. 8.8.8.8 Query time: 40 msec 1.1.1.1 Query time: 2 msec 172.16.0.21 Query time: 30 msec Wait... what?!?!  How is CLoudFlare faster than my own local caching resolver?

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

So. 8.8.8.8 Query time: 40 msec 1.1.1.1 Query time: 2 msec 172.16.0.21 Query time: 30 msec Wait... what?!?! How is CLoudFlare faster than my own local caching resolver? On 4/3/18 10:03 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: It's clearly not hard.  It's obviously not expensive. I'm already doing it

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

It's clearly not hard. It's obviously not expensive. I'm already doing it and have been for years. But it's more than $0. I've seen the geolocation issue in the past. More recently I tried to demonstrate it to someone and it turned out that Google DNS and our own DNS gave us Netflix

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

Correct Mathew. If any changes are made to the equipment on the tower, you lose grandfathering protection. Makes no sense at all. You have to keep Wimax equipment up or lose protection. Respectfully, -- Rick Harnish Director of WISP Markets

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

LOL +1 Ive been running DNS since day one and never looked back. Had to upgrade hardware from some old intel dual core machines to i5 intel with 16GB of ram and 250GB SSD performance is overrated these days :) Thats all they do is DNS except primary dns has html speed test for techs to test

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

If I can run DNS anyone can run DNS On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: > You have your own DNS for one huge reason. GeoLocation for when it comes > to Content Networks such as Netflix. One of the mechanisms they employ is > using DNS Geolocation to serve you

Re: [AFMUG] Austin

Nop, nothing on that scale… more like Webpass/Towerstream 2.0 From: Af > on behalf of Josh Reynolds > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date:

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

You have your own DNS for one huge reason. GeoLocation for when it comes to Content Networks such as Netflix. One of the mechanisms they employ is using DNS Geolocation to serve you the closest content. Not only do they do a GeLocate on your IP, but some also do a check to make sure your DNS

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

The standard is 80%. You have to be careful that you don't exceed the compression specs of the tower and those bolts that resist down force. As you move guy anchors in you have to go up in guy size and tension. If you buy the sections new Rohn will engineer it for you free. You need to fill out

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

Been there done that.. MT works just as good with 10gig internet. Else you will need a scrubbing service. Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

There is several choices that you can put on linux boxes and it will do that for you. Free for the most part Dennis Burgess www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On

Re: [AFMUG] DDOS protection

Not exactly like that but yes … we utilize Arbor Peakflow for detection (using Netflow data) and Arbor TMS for mitigation (using BGP offramping) … works very well but most would say it’s not cost effective .. From: Af on behalf of Paul McCall

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

I know there is often debates on here about running any servers, some servers, or doing everything in-house (mail, web, DNS etc).  Even if you outsource everything I would still run recursive caching DNS …. Performance and reliability the main reasons.  Some CDN’s and other services determine

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

Because it's good for your customers, and it should take very little time to set one up. The main reason for this is so that websites serve data from the closest server due to the way that DNS anycast works. And, the biggest one - to have control over a critical piece of infrastructure for your

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

We have a very large operator around here that basically monopolizes the band, but has zero CPEs registered. So I refuse to do it as well, not posting my customer locations for their consumption when they will not do the same, especially when theirs probably outnumber mine 30-1. I'm not really a