Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-13 Thread Carl Peterson
I'm working on a similar project. Still looking for hardware for the vMX BNG but the basic outline is: vMX running as a BNG on ? hardware. DHCP, DNS server running on a slice on the same server. Possibly also a fall over Freeradius instance with some default accept behavior. We run accounts base

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread TJ Trout
as really listening to my bitching but it started >> working later in the day. So I guess he asked someone to look at it. I >> think I still have that matchbook with his number in it... >> >> *From:* Dennis Burgess >> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:35 PM >> *To:

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread TJ Trout
I still have that matchbook with his number in it... > > *From:* Dennis Burgess > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:35 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > > I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the public DNS servers out there >

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Sterling Jacobson
es at a time. I need to move off and get my own servers on a VM soon. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box If 8.8.8.8 isn't available to the closest node as a local net

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:10 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > > > I think that was me you asked about those three items. > > > > AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS res

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
working later in the day. So I guess he asked someone to look at it. I think I still have that matchbook with his number in it... From: Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dave
PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it ‘applies’. I do like redundancy though. So if you use one CCR, get

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
8 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it ‘applies’. I do like redundancy though. So if you use one CCR, get

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
geler" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:04:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box It will work fine. Use a 2nd diverse as well... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Feb 12, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Guess

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Langeler
> To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or > so homes. > I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area. It will require some > build but that is OK, that is something I feel some l

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
of the highway. From: Dave Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box CCR I think would do the trick but I would have 2 for fail over Or I would do a PowerV4 from linktechs with failover ccr1236 Let the mikrotiks handle your nat and DHCP DNS I

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dave
CCR I think would do the trick but I would have 2 for fail over Or I would do a PowerV4 from linktechs with failover ccr1236 Let the mikrotiks handle your nat and DHCP DNS I would do on a x86 box On 02/12/2018 01:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
*chuckles* see? i do read a lot of what you post, even if i don't always reply... :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box *waves* - Mike Hammett Intell

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
*waves* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:31:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box oh god. don&

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
hahah...told ya - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Don't do that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Bro

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
oh god. don't let Mike Hammett or about half of the people on facebook hear you say that LOL Hi Mike! - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
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Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
covered box are the switches. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
File Save Save as file From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
nt: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:09:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it ‘applies’. I do like redundancy though. S

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Sterling Jacobson
box Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA cl

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
It is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:49:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box It was observed i

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
It was observed in the past that using OpenDNS or GoogleDNS you could get slower performance from CDN's. I can't swear that's still a thing. 4)Do I really care where the DNS is geographically?

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
horse trailers to convert into a splicing > trailer. > > > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 1:28 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being > some reason that m

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:28 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being some reason that made using Mikrotik for a DNS server a bad idea, but it would be capable of doing that too. It doesn

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Dennis Burgess
Yep, simple, we can sell them everything they need if needed. We have outdoor boxes, switches, you name it. ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Only issue I know of is that

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
I would too, but it is too far away from any NOC I can use. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Transport may still be an option depending on the price. I'd much rather treat this as another POP and manage these

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Josh Baird
t. Many miles away. > > *From:* Josh Baird > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 1:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back > to your NOC and provide all of these services ther

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:28 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being some reason that made using Mikrotik for a DNS server a bad idea, but it would be capable of doing that too. It doesn't take much to run

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
imits that I'm not aware of. -- Original Message -- From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: 2/12/2018 3:28:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being some reason that made using Mikrotik for a

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
No, it isn’t. Many miles away. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back to your NOC and provide all of these services there? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
Mikrotik is like a swiss army knife. It does all those things, but it's weaker at all of them than the proper tool is. It would absolutely work though. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 2:59:22 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ISP

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mathew Howard
A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being some reason that made using Mikrotik for a DNS server a bad idea, but it would be capable of doing that too. It doesn't take much to run a DNS server, so it might not be a bad idea to stick some kind of a little server in there

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Adam Moffett
I think the big one is you can get CDN servers near wherever 8.8.8.8 lives instead of ones near where you really are. -- Original Message -- From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 3:05:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I can't even begin to enumer

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Steve Jones
* Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ISP in a box >> >> Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred >> or so homes. >> I can get DIA close to the area at a

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... > > *From:* Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > Had a subdivision developer contact me, wa

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Don't do that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:02:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Gue

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Josh Baird
Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back to your NOC and provide all of these services there? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred > or so homes. > I can get DIA close to

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I would do it with one x86-64 server running xen or KVM on a recent Linux distribution, and then various VMs for services like recursive DNS resolver, dhcp daemon, etc. 1GbE link with vlan trunk and tagged traffic to the CCR would be sufficient. You do plan on giving the residential customers a s

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA close to the area at a

[AFMUG] ISP in a box

2018-02-12 Thread Chuck McCown
Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area. It will require some build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of expertise. Considering a minimal NOC build. I asked this question