Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I will bring my Manrikigusari On Sep 18, 2016 12:57 PM, wrote: > > From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" > > > > this just wont get solved with words. There can be only one. > Fair enough. I'll bring my longsword. > > Jared >

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" > > this just wont get solved with words. There can be only one. Fair enough. I'll bring my longsword. Jared

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

urday, September 17, 2016 at 6:46 PM > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > > > Poles actually do permanently consume non renewable resources. There is > only so much room for a pol

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

, the consumption is not permanent and final, as new poles will replace old ones. Jared > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 6:46 PM > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > Poles actually do

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

17, 2016 9:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city where is my popcorn... - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I will stand in for Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

But I have the monopoly power spells, totally invincible... From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city So, will chuck and jared be gladiator fighting in the cage after Patrick and whoever challenges him

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

where is my popcorn... - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Animal Farm Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I will stand in for Chuck, not that he needs help, just haven't tangled in a while... Getting rusty

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I will stand in for Chuck, not that he needs help, just haven't tangled in a while... Getting rusty On Sep 17, 2016 9:23 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > So, will chuck and jared be gladiator fighting in the cage after Patrick > and whoever challenges him ? > >

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

So, will chuck and jared be gladiator fighting in the cage after Patrick and whoever challenges him ? On Sep 17, 2016 5:10 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" wrote: > Great post Jared! > > Jeff Broadwick > ConVergence Technologies, Inc. > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell >

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Great post Jared! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:16 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >> From: chuck >> >> Why should you even get access to my ducts or my poles in the first place? > Because

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: chuck > > Why should you even get access to my ducts or my poles in the first place? Because you put them in the public right of way. If you want private ducts and poles, go negotiate your own easements and build on private land. > I paid to have them put in for my use. So you

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> You come along and instantly want access and want a third party (lowest > bidder no less) to decide whether or not you are going to overload my pole? Strawman argument. One touch make ready and third party installs do not preclude proper engineering. Also I never said anything about

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

From: CBB - Jay Fuller<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:49 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I am so loving these conversations... so happy to be stirring the pot Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I get bored sometimes... From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I am so loving these conversations... so happy to be stirring the pot Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: ch

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I am so loving these conversations... so happy to be stirring the pot Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 3:26 PM Why should you even get access to my ducts

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

's episode. Chuck McCown is not actually a pole owner but he plays one on TV). -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city From: "Chuck McCown" The FCC regulates pole contacts. I

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

? -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city How about we enact one touch make ready and allow third parties to bid on make ready work? No more unreasonable delays and market based costs

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: "Carl Peterson" > > Once the town starts making a profit, is it reasonable for them to take that > money and plow it into other things or > should they start cutting prices so as to cover expenses and not make a > profit?  It's very, very hard to give up a cash cow, government or

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

f@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > Curious, name an obstacle that needs to be removed. > Not saying there are none. There are plenty. > Just curious which one could be removed. > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Friday, Septemb

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> If the obstacles need to be taken out of the way, they > should be removed for everyone. On this we very much agree. > I know, this sounds like complaining that Uber > unfairly competes with taxis, or Airbnb unfairly competes with hotels. It's not. Uber and AirBNB both chose to ignore

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: "Chuck McCown" > > The FCC regulates pole contacts. It sure would be nice if they would enforce timely access too. > How are existing competitors denying anyone access to anything? By dragging out make ready work for months on end. Duct owners can also under certain

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

eds? >> >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city >> >> I’ve written about this multiple ti

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Curious, name an obstacle that needs to be removed. Not saying there are none. There are plenty. Just curious which one could be removed. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city He didn't

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 10:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city From: "Mike Hammett" You can do whatever you want nearly wherever you want. Never ever had a problem with gaining access to poles or ducts

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

They still get it in many places. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city You can do whatever you want nearly wherever you want. Google was just expecting the red carpet treatment. - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

should the power company be forced to replace a pole at their expense if you want to attach your cable to it? -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city From: "Harold Bl

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Yeah, I would guess time is the main factor. I am also guessing they will drop it in a few years and go back to fiber. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 5:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city RE Google, I don't think it is just a cost thing. I

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: "Mike Hammett" > > You can do whatever you want nearly wherever you want. Never ever had a problem with gaining access to poles or ducts from your friendly neighborhood incumbent, never experienced any delays nor had to pay an arm and a leg for the pleasure? Jared

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

, 2016 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city You can do whatever you want nearly wherever you want. Google was just expecting the red carpet treatment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:15:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > From: "Harold Bledsoe" > > Then there's the regulatory challenges they face in every market... Is this a polite way of saying that existing regulations do nothing to prevent competitors fr

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: "Harold Bledsoe" >  > Then there's the regulatory challenges they face in every market... Is this a polite way of saying that existing regulations do nothing to prevent competitors from doing their best to deny Google access to poles and ducts, or are there actually any regulations

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

can you complain about that? > > > > *From:* Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > > > That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue. Looking at FY15 financials, their Telecoms division made $3.7M and lost $1.7M. So they need "only" 285 gig customers to break even. Jared

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > > And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 1

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Fiber isn’t sexy. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city yeahbut, tain’t fiber. No sex in wireless. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

yeahbut, tain’t fiber. No sex in wireless. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

: [AFMUG] The latest gig city That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI. Travis On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

iadwireless.net> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you hammered me. We are also doing m

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you > hammered me. > > > > We are also d

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

ation if you don't charge $500 > for gig speeds? > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > > I’ve written a

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for gig speeds? - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I’ve written about this multiple times

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

to change although that’s early results. We are finding price is better. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy. I never increased the price, just went from

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

in the near future. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city Interesting. Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> other than price and service from said company Aren't those kind of the defining characteristics? If you ignore price and service, isn't one ISP pretty much like the other? At least very few consumers could tell the difference. Jared

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

2016 10:01:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city  got into it with the significant other last night when discussing this article. she makes a good point. other than price and service from said company, why would someone switch to fiber when they already have equivalent working service

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

customers switch from their $90 plan to our $70 plan all the time. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city got into it with the significant other last night when

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city > One subscriber at the gig level > > http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/ Clickbait. I really hate poorly written arti

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> One subscriber at the gig level >  > http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/ Clickbait. I really hate poorly written articles like these. There are plenty of reasons for and against municipal broadband. If you have a beef with muni broadband, at least

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Just had a serious debate with a significant other over that very topic... Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2016 12:12 AM Intere

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

..@cbcast.com> To: <af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2016 12:11 AM Um.. you're, like, not related to the mayor, right? "Opelika Mayor Gary Fuller told..." And calling a service "Lite" is stupid. On 9/14/2016 11:40 PM, CBB -

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

comes out that actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called. From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city One subscriber at the gig level http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Um.. you're, like, not related to the mayor, right? "Opelika Mayor Gary Fuller told..." And calling a service "Lite" is stupid. On 9/14/2016 11:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: One subscriber at the gig level http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

[AFMUG] The latest gig city

One subscriber at the gig level http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/ Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone