Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
t; To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 11:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space? Redline makes a product that is both very real and performs. Not as expensive as those others, but ubnt guys don't even apply, LTE and Cambium 450 guys should be ab

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Steve D
Redline makes a product that is both very real and performs. Not as expensive as those others, but ubnt guys don't even apply, LTE and Cambium 450 guys should be able to swallow that pill but it's bazillion times past anything carlson or airspan have made yet and it's real company that answers

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Jay, Wow, wish the vendor that sold me mine was that nice. We lost about $6K on our deal. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com -- Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:48:43 AM, you wrote: JW> Being sandwiched

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Jay Weekley
Being sandwiched between two medium sized cities left us with few channels as well. One of the few vendors that sell white space equipment even was nice enough to tell me don't even bother with his product line. Jeremy wrote: We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
<jeremysmi...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:53:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space? We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all claimed by wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University. On Fri, Mar 2, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Jeremy
We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all claimed by wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University. On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Too little, too late. 5Mhz (usable) channels. Even with bonding multiple > channels

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-02 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Too little, too late. 5Mhz (usable) channels. Even with bonding multiple channels together it’s not much bandwidth. NAB successfully killed it by insisting on way too strict OOB filtering. Carlson didn’t help it any with vaporware. And now we have NAB running around saying shared spectrum

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-01 Thread Sean Heskett
it's available as part15 spectrum and there is equipment from a few manufacturers. BUT the TV broadcasters fought the rules so vigorously that it isn't very viable for consumer internet needs. the channel sizes are 6MHz (there might be channel bonding now to get it to 12MHz but i stopped paying

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-01 Thread TJ Trout
The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do 3-20mbps in 2018 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Never saw a product that was priced anywhere near a reasonable figure for AP and CPEs. For the money the typical WISP would be better off investing in some sort of series of micro-POP relays and cambium 900 MHz in select areas. The Carlson product pricing was *really* nuts. On Thu, Mar 1, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-01 Thread Bill Prince
Spectrum is too limited, there are too many places where you can't get the guard bands you need. Restrictions on antenna height, equipment is too expensive, throughput never matched the hype, etc. etc. etc. bp On 3/1/2018 6:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote: This was

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-01 Thread Keefe John
Microsoft and Connect Americans Now are pushing it hard. Right now there's not many equipment manufacturers and the equipment is very expensive. None of the big guys want to put money into developing new hardware due to regulatory uncertainty. Keefe On March 1, 2018 8:34:21 PM CST, Steve

[AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

2018-03-01 Thread Steve Jones
This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something happenning?