Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 9:31 PM John Rose wrote: > On Thursday, June 03, 2021, at 6:58 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > > I think yous are using the wrong word, try something else maybe? > Consciousness means ghost or spirit or something that cannot be made/ a > machine made of particles. At least

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 03, 2021, at 9:23 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Eating a consciousness is how you become a bigger consciousness orb. Well if you eat brains you become smarter because of the chemicals... there are nootropics you can purchase as pills or get from eating raw brain. So it's po

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 03, 2021, at 6:58 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > I think yous are using the wrong word, try something else maybe? > Consciousness means ghost or spirit or something that cannot be made/ a > machine made of particles. At least it sounds like you mean that meaning > (ghost mea

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread immortal . discoveries
Eating a consciousness is how you become a bigger consciousness orb. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T06c11d0b87552585-M109de315de66bb1abf381d2f Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 03, 2021, at 7:25 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > We already know how to engineer empathy. We do this all the time. It's called > user friendliness. The software anticipates what we will want and does the > right thing. We even invent new symbols to do it, like menus, icons, and > to

[agi] Re: [ML News] Anthropic raises $124M, ML execs clueless, collusion rings, ELIZA source discovered & more

2021-06-03 Thread immortal . discoveries
I know the above seems like low level is too low but really the 3rd paragraph above is the actual how AI works, the beneath that is the details it runs, the 2 paragraphs above the 3rd are more implementation details e.g. how Backprop works and what criteria they use as in second paragraph (to gr

[agi] Re: [ML News] Anthropic raises $124M, ML execs clueless, collusion rings, ELIZA source discovered & more

2021-06-03 Thread immortal . discoveries
First of all anyone making an AI can and should and even probably does know how their code works, they should know how their Backprop, vectors, etc purposes and results are. This is so obvious but it needs to be said. Next, they all also should and probably do know why the backprop/ word vectors

[agi] [ML News] Anthropic raises $124M, ML execs clueless, collusion rings, ELIZA source discovered & more

2021-06-03 Thread keghnfeem
[ML News] Anthropic raises $124M, ML execs clueless, collusion rings, ELIZA source discovered & more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxsdp--ULRo -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T73cb0deded02df8

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread immortal . discoveries
Ya like 2+2=4, but must ask it in the objective sense, and has no proof else you could write it out. Both are something you can build, in the later case it is just less details are known. In the 3rd case, full objectiveness, is nonesense, you cannot build it, it is just all consciousnessallism,

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
It seems to me that the essential characteristic of the sensation of consciousness is not empathy but a survival instinct. The authors also suggest that conscious machines should have human rights or at least a right to life. This is a very dangerous combination that a lot of people don't realize.

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread immortal . discoveries
I think yous are using the wrong word, try something else maybe? Consciousness means ghost or spirit or something that cannot be made/ a machine made of particles. At least it sounds like you mean that meaning (ghost meaning). -- Artificial General Intellig

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread keghnfeem
 Mr Rose that is impressive. And my work is some what parallel this. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T06c11d0b87552585-M8d7074e6421a4e7173c8501d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread John Rose
That’s a very thoughtful post Matt. In the first paper they’re talking about the emergence of consciousness. They argue consciousness is important to AI (assume AGI too) for at least on very important thing - empathy. This consciousness/communication structure is very close to what I’ve been w

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread immortal . discoveries
No matter what machine you could invent, it will never be able to prove it is anything more than a machine. We are no different. Why just because I say something do I make myself more worth? I could say I am god, or indestructable, or the great one, or the only one, it's just words, just sound w

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 7:28 AM John Rose wrote: > > I think these two recent papers support the idea that consciousness is > Universal Communication Protocol. Though it could be thought of more of as > pre-protocol hmmm… There are arguments for and against conscious AGI but it > still must be e

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 03, 2021, at 10:32 AM, A.T. Murray wrote: > Mentifex Theory of Consciousness Yes Mentifex, I'm sure Chalmers deeply considered your diagram before publishing his paper.  I'll paste it below let's see if it maintains formatting. We know the consciousness isn't labeled since it's

Re: [agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread A.T. Murray
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 4:27 AM John Rose wrote: > I think these two recent papers support the idea that consciousness is > Universal Communication Protocol. Though it could be thought of more of as > pre-protocol hmmm… There are arguments for and against conscious AGI but it > still must be explo

[agi] Supporting Consciousness as UCP

2021-06-03 Thread John Rose
I think these two recent papers support the idea that consciousness is Universal Communication Protocol. Though it could be thought of more of as pre-protocol hmmm… There are arguments for and against conscious AGI but it still must be explored.  The first paper describes conscious AI from a co