Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-22 Thread Rob Freeman
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 10:02 PM James Bowery wrote: > ... > You correctly perceive that the symbolic regression presentation is not to > the point regarding the HNet paper. A big failing of the symbolic regression > world is the same as it is in the rest of computerdom: Failure to recognize

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-22 Thread Rob Freeman
On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 10:10 AM Quan Tesla wrote: > > The paper is specific to a novel and quantitative approach and method for > association in general and specifically. John was talking about the presentation James linked, not the paper, Quan. He may be right that in that presentation they us

Re: [agi] GPT-4o

2024-05-22 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
A previous post on this forum proved no one here really cares about testing or achieving AGI. Apparently all we care about here is proving SELF superiority. On Fri, May 17, 2024, 2:07 PM wrote: > Matt, > > GPT4o still thinks my hard puzzle it can say to use a spoon to push the > truck, even thou

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-22 Thread Quan Tesla
The paper is specific to a novel and quantitative approach and method for association in general and specifically. It emerges possible and statistical (most correct) relationships. This stands in stark contrast to the deterministic commitment to construct functional relationships. Hence, a poly

[agi] Hinton: Erroneous teaching teaches critical thinking?

2024-05-22 Thread James Bowery
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKIfQA8UpbuzBp2ahwAxXkIPxqJtGGRRn?si=hXSAi7XfM9lbg0nf One way of viewing this is just that by introducing noise into gradient descent once can avoid local minima. Another way of viewing it is that so-called "misinformation" can teach critical thinking so long as there

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-22 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 9:35 PM Rob Freeman wrote: > > > Whereas the NN presentation is talking about NNs regressing to fixed > encodings. Not about an operator which "calculates energies" in real > time. > > Unless I've missed something in that presentation. Is there anywhere > in the hour

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-05-22 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, May 21, 2024, at 10:34 PM, Rob Freeman wrote: > Unless I've missed something in that presentation. Is there anywhere in the hour long presentation where they address a decoupling of category from pattern, and the implications of this for novelty of structure? I didn’t watch the video b