Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-17 Thread Mike Archbold
They say "understanding" a lot but don't really define it (perhaps implicitly). It seems like a reasonable start as a basis. I don't see how it relates to consciousness really, except that I think they emphasize a real time aspect and a flow of time which is good. On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 5:10 

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-17 Thread John Rose
On Monday, June 17, 2024, at 4:14 PM, James Bowery wrote: > https://gwern.net/doc/cs/algorithm/information/compression/1999-mahoney.pdf I know, I know that we could construct a test that breaks the p-zombie barrier. Using text alone though? Maybe not. Unless we could somehow makes our brains

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-17 Thread James Bowery
https://gwern.net/doc/cs/algorithm/information/compression/1999-mahoney.pdf On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 1:35 PM Mike Archbold wrote: > Now time for the usual goal post movers > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 7:49 AM Matt Mahoney > wrote: > >> It's official now. GPT-4 was judged to be human 54% of the

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-17 Thread John Rose
On Monday, June 17, 2024, at 2:33 PM, Mike Archbold wrote: > Now time for the usual goal post movers A few years ago it would be a big thing though I remember these chatbots from the BBS days in the early 90's that were pretty convincing. Some of those bots were hybrids, part human part bot so

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-17 Thread Mike Archbold
Now time for the usual goal post movers On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 7:49 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > It's official now. GPT-4 was judged to be human 54% of the time, compared > to 22% for ELIZA and 50% for GPT-3.5. > https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.08007 > *Artificial General Intelligence List

[agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-17 Thread Matt Mahoney
It's official now. GPT-4 was judged to be human 54% of the time, compared to 22% for ELIZA and 50% for GPT-3.5. https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.08007 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] Re: Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-17 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, June 16, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Any LLM that passes the Turing test is conscious as far as you can tell, as > long as you assume that humans are conscious too. But this proves that there > is nothing more to consciousness than text prediction. Good prediction >

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-17 Thread Rob Freeman
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:22 PM Quan Tesla wrote: > > Rob, basically you're reiterating what I've been saying here all along. To > increase contextualization and instill robustness in the LLM systemic > hierarchies. Further, that it seems to be critically lacking within current > approaches. >

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-17 Thread Quan Tesla
Rob, basically you're reiterating what I've been saying here all along. To increase contextualization and instill robustness in the LLM systemic hierarchies. Further, that it seems to be critically lacking within current approaches. However, I think this is fast changing, and soon enough, I