Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Singularity being near is another form of immanentizing the eschaton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton Personally, I prefer heaven but many of those with strong scientific and technical inclinations perhaps need something they can more relate to and perhaps even create.

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

It depends if the pakis can beat us at it,  if it happens or not. so...  i guess not. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T94ee05730c7d4074-M87c0179b3d867fa2a27f8135 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

I think all this "singularity" nonsense can be traced back to Heinz von Foerster's impish sense of humor -- at least that's how he struck me when I took a 1974 "second order cybernetics" summer class from him about the time it was

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

On 2019-11-18 12:45:PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: The premise of the Singularity is that if humans can create smarter than human intelligence (meaning faster or more successful at achieving goals), then so can it, only faster. That will lead to an intelligence explosion because each iteration will

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

This is a big discussion, we need a forum, a workplace where we can put on our work boots and hats and get real dirty. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T94ee05730c7d4074-M9ea792188b2b126a560d1776

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

I did -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T94ee05730c7d4074-Md36fda268e25ac524251df56 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Hey WOM and ID,  that thing Sean just posted could be fricken amazing!!!  do u guys understand how good it is? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T94ee05730c7d4074-M40781d84d92c448fb81eb541 Delivery

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

There's no edit function because it's a mailing list, not a forum.  Once you make your post, it goes to people's e-mail inboxes and you can't call it back. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Interesting post sean. Btw I wanted the edit function on this forum too but you know what we gotta have one place that stores what happened so it's actually just lovely. I already adapted. If you see a few extra posts well, that PART of the adaption... --

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Hey Sean,   that is an optimizing for nearest neighbour matching???  thats amazing.  where did u learn it - or is it original? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

.. current neural networks lack. Is there no edit option on this forum! Me no like. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T94ee05730c7d4074-Mc61f1a9b88b75b75871cd9be Delivery options:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Current neural networks require n squared numerical operations for a network layer of width of n. You can reduce that to nlog(n): https://discourse.processing.org/t/fixed-filter-bank-neural-networks/13424 That is the same efficiency difference between bubble sort and quick sort. There is also

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Physics can't do infinity obviously, but the curve does shoot up quite fast, we get that... However, if one imagines a Earth sized nanobot blob eating the solar system and so on, it could grow exponentially faster I think, the bigger it gets the more it can eat, not linear, however heat death

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 2:50 PM wrote: > > What makes you so sure physics doesn't have an exponential singularity > curve for approx. Earth? Nanobots will solve the data need, the computing > need, and the biological experiment need, immediately! Full data-recursion. > No they don't. Nanobots are

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Oh shit... hang on I think ive made a mistake about the p=np thing. I was just going crazy...  shit i think i smoked too many cigarettes. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

OpenAI says they have an alignment on creating AGI together, so a cooperative discussion board on understanding AGI is probably possible! If yous are all over the place, its because yous can't even grasp it yet :)) All yous have to do is start discussing AGI for once and we'll all join in.

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Monday, 18 November 2019 21:00 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near. I have some thoughts, but ... isn't this discussion going to become yet another distraction? The question of whether AGI will result in a technological singularity doesn't seem to have a lot of relevance to the questi

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

I ain't got no reply from Matt, nanobots solve the singularity on Earth: On Monday, November 18, 2019, at 2:50 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Correct Matt, we need AGIs, nanotechnologies, data. Self-improvement isn't > the key. Data-recursion is. (although you can get better at doing it) > >

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

once ppl get set in the right direction, you lose sight of the man that originates it.   If a guy ever came up with a quantum computer that worked, and it was simple,   the group would be another 100 years away every 100 years if it wasnt for him.  But when he finally does it,  then anyone

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 2:04 PM wrote: > I always thought AGI WAS the singularity. > If there is anything the robot can invent that we cant already I thought > it was an absolute NO anyway. :) > We keep renaming things that are not singularities to singularities to make the problem easier. Just

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Hes saying that the physical world hasnt enough energy for the amount of computation required to simulate the brain.  even tho its in our heads already, working fine. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

Correct Matt, we need AGIs, nanotechnologies, data. Self-improvement isn't the key. Data-recursion is. (although you can get better at doing it) What makes you so sure physics doesn't have an exponential singularity curve for approx. Earth? Nanobots will solve the data need, the computing need,

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

I always thought AGI WAS the singularity. If there is anything the robot can invent that we cant already I thought it was an absolute NO anyway. :) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink:

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

I have some thoughts, but ... isn't this discussion going to become yet another distraction? The question of whether AGI will result in a technological singularity doesn't seem to have a lot of relevance to the question of *how* to build AGI. So the disciples of the Singularity can believe

Re: [agi] The Singularity is not near.

The (social) singularity is just the incremental cybernetic augmentations we made along the way... On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:47 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > The premise of the Singularity is that if humans can create smarter than > human intelligence (meaning faster or more successful at achieving

[agi] The Singularity is not near.

The premise of the Singularity is that if humans can create smarter than human intelligence (meaning faster or more successful at achieving goals), then so can it, only faster. That will lead to an intelligence explosion because each iteration will be faster. We cannot say how this will happen