Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread Matt Mahoney
- Original Message From: YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Monday, November 6, 2006 7:49:06 PMSubject: Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS>This is the specification of my logic: >http://www.geocities.com/genericai/GI-Geniform.htm >I conjecture that NL sentences c

Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
  Hi John,   This is the specification of my logic: http://www.geocities.com/genericai/GI-Geniform.htm I conjecture that NL sentences can be easily translated to/from this form.   The definition of Jinnteera looks interesting, do you have a demo of how it works? =)   I'm now working on a English-to

Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread John Scanlon
Sorry, I completely ignored what you said about your language in my reply.  Could you describe it some more?     YKY wrote:   I'm working on something very similar to Jinnteera; my language is called Geniform and is half-way between English and an augmented form of predicate logic. I'd say i

Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread John Scanlon
Richard Loosemore wrote: When you say that it "provides ... a general AI shell, within which any AI algorithms can be experimented with ...", I find myself exasperated [tho' not to worry, I am exasperated a lot ;-) ] -- it does not provide a language shell within which *any* of the algorithms

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread Matt Mahoney
- Original Message From: BillK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, November 6, 2006 10:08:09 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages >Ogden said that it would take seven years to learn English, seven >months for Esperanto, and seven weeks fo

Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread James Ratcliff
This has been worked on before, yes, and is what I am looking at currently, and would be greatly interested in seeing your work.I actually created a wiki stubb the other day with a couple of teh first papers I had seen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_simplificationText Simplification is an impor

Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
On 11/7/06, John Scanlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Ratcliff wrote:>  > "In some form or another we are going to HAVE to have a natural language interface, either a translation program that can convert our english to the machine  understandable form, or a simplified form of english that i

Re: [agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread Richard Loosemore
John Scanlon wrote: James Ratcliff wrote: "In some form or another we are going to HAVE to have a natural language interface, either a translation program that can convert our english to the machine understandable form, or a simplified form of english that is trivial for a person to quickly

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
How much of the Novamente system is meant to be autonomous, and how much will be responding only from external stymulus such as a question or a task given externally. Is it intended after awhile to run "on its own" where it would be up 24 hours a day, exploring potentially some by itself, or more

[agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread John Scanlon
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[agi] The concept of a KBMS

2006-11-06 Thread John Scanlon
James Ratcliff wrote:   "In some form or another we are going to HAVE to have a natural language interface, either a translation program that can convert our english to the machine  understandable form, or a simplified form of english that is trivial for a person to quickly understand and wri

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread James Ratcliff
Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,On 11/6/06, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Ben,> I think it would be beneficial, at least to me, to see a list of tasks.> Not as a "defining" measure in any way. But as a list of work items that a> general AGI should be able to complete effe

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread James Ratcliff
I dont believe that was the goal or lesson of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHRDLU project.It was mainly centered aroudn a small test environment (the block world)and being able to create an interface that would allow the user to speak and be answered in a natural language.And in that goal it se

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, On 11/6/06, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ben, I think it would be beneficial, at least to me, to see a list of tasks. Not as a "defining" measure in any way. But as a list of work items that a general AGI should be able to complete effectively. I agree, and I think that thi

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread BillK
On 11/6/06, James Ratcliff wrote: In some form or another we are going to HAVE to have a natural language interface, either a translation program that can convert our english to the machine understandable form, or a simplified form of english that is trivial for a person to quickly understand

Re: Re: Re: Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread James Ratcliff
Ben,  I think it would be beneficial, at least to me, to see a list of tasks.  Not as a "defining" measure in any way.  But as a list of work items that a general AGI should be able to complete effectively.  I started on a list, and pulled some information off the net before, but never completed on

Re: [agi] Natural versus formal AI interface languages

2006-11-06 Thread James Ratcliff
Richard,  The Blocks World (http://hci.stanford.edu/~winograd/shrdlu/) was over 36 years ago, and was a GREAT demonstration of what can be done with natural language.  It handled a wide variety of items, albeit with a very limited environment.  Currently MIT is doing work with robitics that uses th