Re: [agi] More brain scanning and language

2008-06-10 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Jun 3, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Mike Tintner wrote: Thanks. I must confess to my usual confusion/ignorance here - but perhaps I should really have talked of "solid" rather than "3-D mapping." When you sit in a familiar chair, you have, I presume, a solid mapping (or perhaps the word should be

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Jim Bromer
- Original Message From: Steve Richfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3-- integrative ... which itself is a very broad category with a lot of heterogeneity ... including e.g. systems composed of wholly distinct black boxes versus systems that have intricate real-time feedbacks between different c

Re: [agi] Who here is located in the Seattle area?

2008-06-10 Thread A. T. Murray
Steve Richfield trolled like an Alaska fisherman: > > It has come to my attention that some of the mysterious > masked men here are located in the Seattle/Bellevue area, > as I now am. Perhaps we should get together face-to-face > and discuss rather than type our thoughts? > > Steve Richfield B

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Richfield
Richard, On 6/8/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You also failed to address my own previous response to you: I basically > said that you make remarks as if the whole of cognitive science does not > exist. Quite the contrary. My point is that not only does cognitive science f

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Richfield
Ben, On 6/8/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be > first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ... to whose satisfaction? Here on this forum, there are only two groups of "judges": 1. The people who are actually writing the

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Richfield
Matthias, On 6/8/08, Dr. Matthias Heger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In short, most people on this > > list appear to be interested only in HOW to straight-line program an AGI > > (with the implicit assumption that we operate anything at all like we > appear > > to operate), but not in WHAT to

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Richfield
Bob, On 6/8/08, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/6/8 Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Those of us w/ experience in the field have heard the objections you > > and Tintner are making hundreds or thousands of times before. We have > > already processed the arguments you're makin

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Richfield
Jim, Ben, et al, On 6/10/08, Jim Bromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ben wrote: > > I think that AGI, right now, The thing that "stumbled" me when I first got here, is understanding just what is meant here by "AGI". It is NOT the process that goes on behind our eyeballs, as that is clearly an

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-10 Thread Jim Bromer
Ben wrote: I think that AGI, right now, could also be analyzed as having four main approaches 1-- logic-based ... including a host of different logic formalisms 2-- neural net/ brain simulation based ... including some biologically quasi-realistic systems and some systems that are more formal an

Re: [agi] Ideological Interactions Need to be Studied

2008-06-10 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Ricky Loynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vladimir, that's a nice, tight overview of a design. What drives the > creation/deletion of nodes? > In current design, skills are extended through relearning and fine-tuning of existing circuits. Roughly, new memories are