Re: [agi] Let's face it, this is just dumb.

2008-10-03 Thread Brad Paulsen
Wow, that's a pretty strong response there, Matt. Friends of yours? If I were in control of such things, I wouldn't DARE walk out of a lab and announce results like that. So I have no fear of being the one to bring that type of criticism on myself. But, I'm just as vulnerable as any of us to ha

Re: Risks of competitive message routing (was Re: [agi] Let's face it, this is just dumb.)

2008-10-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, > CMR (my proposal) has no centralized control (global brain). It is a > competitive market in which information has negative value. The environment > is a peer-to-peer network where peers receive messages in natural language, > cache a copy, and route them to appropriate experts based on con

Re: [agi] Let's face it, this is just dumb.

2008-10-03 Thread Gabriel Recchia
I remember reading awhile back that certain Japanese vending machines dispensing adult-only materials actually employed such age-estimation software for a short time, but quickly pulled it after discovering that teens were thwarting it by holding magazine covers up to the camera. No floppy hat or R

Re: [agi] Testing, and a question....

2008-10-03 Thread Colin Hales
Dear AGI folk, I am testing my registration on the system,, saying an inaugural 'hi' and seeking guidance in respect of potential submissions for a presentation spot at the next AGI conference. It is time for me to become more visible in AGI after 5 years of research and reprogramming my brai

Re: [agi] Testing, and a question....

2008-10-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
In terms of a paper submission to AGI-09, I think that your option 4 would be of the most interest to the audience there. By and large it's not a "philosophy of AI" crowd so much as a "how to build an AI" crowd... I am also organizing a workshop on machine consciousness that will be in Hong Kong

[agi] I Can't Be In Two Places At Once.

2008-10-03 Thread Mike Tintner
The foundation of the human mind and system is that we can only be in one place at once, and can only be directly, fully conscious of that place. Our world picture, which we and, I think, AI/AGI tend to take for granted, is an extraordinary triumph over that limitation - our ability to concei

Re: [agi] I Can't Be In Two Places At Once.

2008-10-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
yah, I discuss this in chapter 2 of "The Hidden Pattern" ;-) ... the short of it is: the self-model of such a mind will be radically different than that of a current human, because we create our self-models largely by analogy to our physical organisms ... intelligences w/o fixed physical embodime

Re: [agi] Testing, and a question....

2008-10-03 Thread Mike Tintner
Colin: 1) Empirical refutation of computationalism... .. interesting because the implication is that if anyone doing AGI lifts their finger over a keyboard thinking they can be directly involved in programming anything to do with the eventual knowledge of the creature...they have already failed.

Re: [agi] I Can't Be In Two Places At Once.

2008-10-03 Thread Mike Tintner
I think either way - computers or robots - a distributed entity has to be looking at the world from different POV's more or less simultaneously, even if rapidly switching. My immediate intuitive response is that that would make the entity much less "self-ish" -much more open to merging or unitin

Re: [agi] Testing, and a question....

2008-10-03 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Ben, Excellent. #4 it is. I'll proceed on that basis. I can't get funding unless I present...and the timing is perfect for my PhD, so I'll be working towards that. Hong Kong sounds good. I assume it's the "Toward a Science of Consciousness 2009" I'll chase it up. I didn't realise it was i

Re: Risks of competitive message routing (was Re: [agi] Let's face it, this is just dumb.)

2008-10-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You seem to misunderstand the notion of a Global Brain, see > > http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/GBRAIFAQ.html > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_brain You are right. That is exactly what I am proposing. >>I believe that CMR is initiall

Re: [agi] COMP = false

2008-10-03 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Mike, I can give the highly abridged flow of the argument: !) It refutes COMP , where COMP = Turing machine-style abstract symbol manipulation. In particular the 'digital computer' as we know it. 2) The refutation happens in one highly specific circumstance. In being false in that circumstan

AW: [agi] I Can't Be In Two Places At Once.

2008-10-03 Thread Dr. Matthias Heger
1. We feel ourselves not exactly at a single point in space. Instead, we identify ourselves with our body which consist of several parts and which are already at different points in space. Your eye is not at the same place as your hand. I think this is a proof that a distributed AGI will not need