I remember reading awhile back that certain Japanese vending machines dispensing adult-only materials actually employed such age-estimation software for a short time, but quickly pulled it after discovering that teens were thwarting it by holding magazine covers up to the camera. No floppy hat or Ronald Reagan mask necessary.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Brad Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, that's a pretty strong response there, Matt. Friends of yours? > > If I were in control of such things, I wouldn't DARE walk out of a lab and > announce results like that. So I have no fear of being the one to bring > that type of criticism on myself. But, I'm just as vulnerable as any of us > to having colleagues do it for (to) me. > > So, yeah. I have a problem with premature release, or announcement, of a > technology that's associated with an industry in which I work. It's > irresponsible science when scientists do it. It's irresponsible marketing > (now, there's a redundant phrase for you) when company management does it. > > And, it's irresponsible for you to defend such practices. That stuff > deserved to be mocked. Get over it. > > Cheers, > Brad > > > Matt Mahoney wrote: > > So here is another step toward AGI, a hard image classification problem > > solved with near human-level ability, and all I hear is criticism. > > Sheesh! I hope your own work is not attacked like this. > > > > I would understand if the researchers had proposed something stupid like > > using the software in court to distinguish adult and child pornography. > > Please try to distinguish between the research and the commentary by the > > reporters. A legitimate application could be estimating the average age > > plus or minus 2 months of a group of 1000 shoppers in a marketing study. > > > > > > In any case, machine surveillance is here to stay. Get used to it. > > > > -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> From: Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [agi] Let's face > >> it, this is just dumb. To: agi@v2.listbox.com Date: Thursday, October > >> 2, 2008, 6:21 AM 2008/10/2 Brad Paulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> It "boasts" a 50% recognition accuracy rate > >> +/-5 years and an 80% > >>> recognition accuracy rate +/-10 years. Unless, of > >> course, the subject is > >>> wearing a big floppy hat, makeup or has had Botox > >> treatment recently. Or > >>> found his dad's Ronald Reagan mask. 'Nuf > >> said. > >> > >> > >> Yes. This kind of accuracy would not be good enough to enforce age > >> related rules surrounding the buying of certain products, nor does it > >> seem likely to me that refinements of the technique will give the > >> needed accuracy. As you point out people have been trying to fool > >> others about their age for millenia, and this trend is only going to > >> complicate matters further. In future if De Grey gets his way this > >> kind of recognition will be useless anyway. > >> > >> > >>> P.S. Oh, yeah, and the guy responsible for this > >> project claims it doesn't > >>> violate anyone's privacy because it can't be > >> used to identify individuals. > >>> Right. They don't say who sponsored this > >> research, but I sincerely doubt > >>> it was the vending machine companies or purveyors of > >> Internet porn. > >> > >> > >> It's good to question the true motives behind something like this, and > >> where the funding comes from. I do a lot of stuff with computer > >> vision, and if someone came to me saying they wanted something to > >> visually recognise the age of a person I'd tell them that they're > >> probably wasting their time, and that indicators other than visual > >> ones would be more likely to give a reliable result. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your > > Subscription: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
