It's definitely occurred to me before that alens who came across a
planet where the indigenous life had been replaced by their machines
in what has been called a "negative singularity", that they would see
that as sort of like a weedy lot. Technology crowds culture out so the
positive singularity s
Since there have been multiple discussions of aliens lately on this list, I
think I should communicate a thought that I have had concerning them that I
have not heard any one else say --- although I would be very surprised if
others have not thought it --- and it does relate to AGI --- so it is
Acilio,
Sorry not to reply sooner. I'm interested in this inquiry, but only as
observer not serious participant. It's something - i.e. the organization of
memory - I know, and have thought little about.
But I think your idea of online experimentation is a good one, (especially
if you could
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I submitted my paper "A Model for Recursively Self Improving Programs" to
> JAGI and it is ready for open review. For those who have already read it, it
> is essentially the same paper except that I have expanded the abstr
> I could also argue that the limitations on RSI would constrain a hard-takeoff
> singularity to an explosion of computational power, not of knowledge. But I
> think that might be a stretch. Not everyone agrees that there will even be a
> singularity in the first place.
You could argue that, b
Mike
The abstract nouns Honor. Justice. Truth can all be shown
to be objectively based in science of Behaviorism
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/behaviorism.html
as outlined in technically linked schematics
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/schematics.html
and even granted US pat
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not aware of any published papers proposing pure RSI (without input) as
> a path to AGI. But in 2002 there were experiments with AI boxing to test the
> feasibility of detecting and containing unfriendly AI, discusse
I am not aware of any published papers proposing pure RSI (without input) as a
path to AGI. But in 2002 there were experiments with AI boxing to test the
feasibility of detecting and containing unfriendly AI, discussed on SL4.
http://www.sl4.org/archive/0207/4935.html (The results showed that u
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Russell Wallace
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It certainly wasn't a strawman as of a couple of years ago; I've had
> arguments with people who seemed to seriously believe in the
> possibility of creating AI in a sealed box in someone's basement
> without any feedbac
your list is a start to a list of only potentially problematic questions or
constructs, since using these words and concepts is actually going to be
required in any AGI system... a flag list is a start, but a set of rules to
eliminate areas of language construction we do not need to ever worry abou
Tudor: I agree that there are many better questions to elucidate the
tricks/pitfalls of language. but lets list the biggest time wasters first,
Er, it's a rather big job. I think you're talking about all abstract nouns.
Time. Space. Honour. Justice. Truth. Realism Beauty. Science. Art.
Ben:
yeah, it's coming back to me now .. I remember holons and holarchies
and all that stuff ;-)
However, Koestler was writing before complex dynamics and attractors
and such were well-understood and well-known ... and all this gives a
quite different flavor to the web of ideas he was exploring,
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah, it's coming back to me now .. I remember holons and holarchies
> and all that stuff ;-)
>
> However, Koestler was writing before complex dynamics and attractors
> and such were well-understood and well-known ... and a
yeah, it's coming back to me now .. I remember holons and holarchies
and all that stuff ;-)
However, Koestler was writing before complex dynamics and attractors
and such were well-understood and well-known ... and all this gives a
quite different flavor to the web of ideas he was exploring, I
thin
Ben,
Yeah, I'd heavily recommend it. I don't know anything like Koestler for
setting out the general importance of the hierarchical principle. And I
didn't do it justice, because it *is* two-way. It's not just about triggers
(or your keys) acting downwards, through a whole "holarchy" of "holon
Tudor Boloni wrote:
Richard, please give me a link to the paper or at least the example
related to manipulation of subjective experience in others, i am indeed
curious to see how their approach would fare... thanks for the effort in
advance
Sure thing:
http://susaro.com/wp-content/uploads/20
Ben Goertzel wrote:
http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/engineering/extranet/research-groups/neuroengineering-lab/
There are always more papers that can be discussed.
OK, sure, but this is a more recent paper **by the same authors,
discussing the same data***
and more recent similar data.
But
Richard, please give me a link to the paper or at least the example related
to manipulation of subjective experience in others, i am indeed curious to
see how their approach would fare... thanks for the effort in advance
tudor
> For example, they could not, in principle, answer any questions a
Tudor Boloni wrote:
wrong category is trivial indeed, but quickly removing computing
resources from impossible processes can be a great benefit to any
system, and an incredible benefit if the system learns to spot deeply
nonsensical problems in advance of dedicating almost any resources to
it.
I agree that there are many better questions to elucidate the
tricks/pitfalls of language. but lets list the biggest time wasters first,
and the post showed some real time wasters from various fields that i found
valuable to be aware of
> It implies it is pointless to ask what the essence of time
wrong category is trivial indeed, but quickly removing computing resources
from impossible processes can be a great benefit to any system, and an
incredible benefit if the system learns to spot deeply nonsensical problems
in advance of dedicating almost any resources to it... what if we could
desig
Tudor,
If you were referring to the following post as the source of an appropriate
filter for what should and should not be considered an appropriate question
I think you picked the wrong source.
oh yes, there are indeed stupid questions...
e.g. what is essence of time? what is the natu
>>
>> http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/engineering/extranet/research-groups/neuroengineering-lab/
>
>
> There are always more papers that can be discussed.
OK, sure, but this is a more recent paper **by the same authors,
discussing the same data***
and more recent similar data.
>
> But that does
Tudor Boloni wrote:
we invariably generate and then fruitlessly explore (our field is even
more exposed to this than most others) until we come up against the
limits of our own language, and defeated and fatigued realize we never
thought the questions through. i nominate this guy:
http://hype
Ben Goertzel wrote:
Richard,
It might be more useful to discuss more recent papers by the same
authors regarding the same topic, such as the more accurately-titled
***
Sparse but not "Grandmother-cell" coding in the medial temporal lobe.
Quian Quiroga R, Kreiman G, Koch C and Fried I.
Trends in
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Trent Waddington
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> summed up in the last two words of the abstract: "without input". Who
> ever said that RSI had anything to do with programs that had no input?
It certainly wasn't a strawman as of a couple of years ago; I've had
argum
You know, I read that book 25 years ago ... maybe I should look at it again...
However, my point was definitely not "the hierarchical principle as
the organizing principle of life"... that is a rather different point.
If any example conveys my point clearly, it would be the "glocal
Hopfield net",
we invariably generate and then fruitlessly explore (our field is even more
exposed to this than most others) until we come up against the limits of our
own language, and defeated and fatigued realize we never thought the
questions through. i nominate this guy:
http://hyperlogic.blogspot.com/
at a
Ben,
Have you read Koestler's The Ghost in the Machine? You seem to be reaching
in your post for what he sets out there - albeit v. loosely - namely the
hierarchical principle as the organizing principle of life, both of
organisms and of societies (and perhaps one can add machines). You talk
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