Re: [agi] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2010-07-26 Thread Erdal Bektaş
Sorry for spam. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Ekrem Erdal Bektas erdalbek...@gmail.comwrote: LinkedIn Ekrem Erdal Bektas requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: Jean-Paul, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Ekrem Erdal

Re: [agi] Comments On My Skepticism of Solomonoff Induction

2010-07-26 Thread Jim Bromer
As far as I can tell right now, my theories that Solomonoff Induction is trans-infinite were wrong. Now that I realize that the mathematics do not support these conjectures, I have to acknowledge that I would not be able to prove or even offer a sketch of a proof of my theories. Although I did

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread David Butler
When we listen to music there are many elements that come into play that create our memory of how the song goes. If you take a piece of instrumental music, you have the melody, a succession of tones in a certain order, duration of each note in the melody, timbre, or tonal quality, (guitar vs

Re: [agi] Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-26 Thread Jim Bromer
Arthur, The section from The Arthur T. Murray/Mentifex, FAQ, 2.3 What do researchers in academia think of Murray’s work?, really puts you into a whole other category in my view. The rest of us can only dream of such dismissals from experts who haven't achieved anything more than the rest of us.

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread Mike Tintner
David, There must be a fair amount of cog sci/AI analysis of all this - of how the brain analyses and remembers tunes - and presumably leading theories (as for vision). Do you or anyone know more here? Also, you have noted something of extreme importance, wh. is a lot more than a step

Re: [agi] Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-26 Thread David Jones
Sure. Thanks Arthur. On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM, A. T. Murray menti...@scn.org wrote: David Jones wrote: Arthur, Thanks. I appreciate that. I would be happy to aggregate some of those things. I am sometimes not good at maintaining the website because I get bored of maintaining or

Re: [agi] The Math Behind Creativity

2010-07-26 Thread rob levy
That's interesting, and I think I agree mostly, at least abstractly. So this is really just a high-level comment on how to approach creativity, correct? I guess the title Mathematics of Creativity is what confused me. None of this suggests any real mathematical or computational perspective that

Re: [agi] Comments On My Skepticism of Solomonoff Induction

2010-07-26 Thread Abram Demski
Jim, I'll argue that solomonoff probabilities are in fact like Pi, that is, computable in the limit. I still do not understand why you think these combinations are necessary. It is not necessary to make some sort of ordering of the sum to get it to converge: ordering only matters for infinite

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread deepakjnath
Mike, All chinese look the same for me. But for a chinese person they don't. Why is this? Is there another clue here? Thanks, Deepak On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: David, There must be a fair amount of cog sci/AI analysis of all this - of how

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread David Butler
It seems to me that the hardest thing for AI to comprehend would be the evolutionary and social aspects of intelligence. What is good for today may not be good for tomorrow or vice verse. As an example, the acceptance of Stravinsky's The right of Spring as a great work of art/music. When it was

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread David Jones
Deepak, I have some insight on this question. There was a study regarding change blindness. One of the study's famous experiments was having a person ask for directions on a college campus. Then in the middle of this, a door would pass between the person asking directions and the student giving

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread Mike Tintner
Deepak, No it's basically a distraction from the problem. With time and closer inspection, they will all look different. Correction, it IS useful. It probably tells us something about how the brain and an AGI must work First you start with a round blob shape for a class of objects - a face

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread deepakjnath
thanks Dave, This means that there is a system in the brain that decides on the details that we capture from our external environment. Something like an auto focus or a system that increases or decreases the resolution of the picture as it deems fit. We could call this an auto attention focusing

Re: [agi] Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-26 Thread Chris Petersen
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jim Bromer jimbro...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah. I forgot about some of Arthur's claims about Mentiflex which seemed a bit exaggerated. Oh well. Jim Bromer World War II was a bit of a tussle, too. -Chris --- agi

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread deepakjnath
Okay Mike, Let me write down my theory of this phenomenon. my intuition is that brain learns in steps and deltas. The brain takes in a fixed amount of only new information at a time. So when a person who doesn't have too much impressions (image memories) of a chinese person sees a chinese, He

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread Mike Tintner
I'm not sure that's too diff. from what I'm saying. The interesting question is what does the brain use as its general class model against wh. to compare new individuals? It's unlikely to be a or the first individual face/object as you seem to be suggesting. Another factor here is that you

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-26 Thread deepakjnath
My theory is that there is no general class. What ever you see new is a new class for you. If you see that again then this becomes a variation of the earlier class. Basically the brain is able to detect if something it sees in new and store it along with an emotion of excitement. This is why young

[agi] AGI Alife

2010-07-26 Thread Linas Vepstas
I saw the following post from Antonio Alberti, on the linked-in discussion group: ALife and AGI Dear group participants. The relation among AGI and ALife greatly interests me. However, too few recent works try to relate them. For exemple, many papers presented in AGI-09

Re: [agi] Comments On My Skepticism of Solomonoff Induction

2010-07-26 Thread Abram Demski
Jim, Fair enough. Oh, and Matt: kudos for being better at patiently explaining details than me. --Abram On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Jim Bromer jimbro...@gmail.com wrote: Abram, We all have some misconceptions about this, and about related issues. Let me think about this more