Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-07-05 Thread Arthur T. Murray
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Brad Wyble wrote: [...] This is usually the case in new technological domains. The first innovators get wiped out by the next generation that learns from their success. Nothing wrong with this (apart from being unfair), just capitalism at work. Someone will steal

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-07-01 Thread Yan King Yin
I don't think one needs to become as big as Microsoft or IBM to fund AGI research very amply, however. I think AGI is best done by a small, tightly focused team, with ongoing feedback from a larger group of loosely affiliated scientists. If I had enough research funding to pay for, say

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-30 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, All I asked was a possible collaboration, I feel very disappointed that my offer is prematurely rejected. I think excluding me from collaboration is a very unfriendly gesture. I have not offended anyone here before. Indeed, I am interested in collaborating with you and others on an

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-29 Thread Yan King Yin
I think we have a significant disagreement about the relationship between AGI research and business. I don't see why you think having marketable products is essential to AGI research. AGI is about building a digital mind, and doesn't *have* to be any more about business than raising a

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-28 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, One thing that I personally want to see is for each group to define its goal in more details so we can understand how the AGI products are differentiated. Right now the situation, as I see it, is that we're still struggling to create the first marketable product. I think the

Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-28 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
Brad Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not? These statements seem to fly in the face of historical precedent for most technologies There are an infinite range of solutions to this problem, and there is no incentive for the entire world to choose one solution (unlike certain

Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-28 Thread Brad Wyble
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, J. Andrew Rogers wrote: There is most certainly not an infinite range of solutions, and there is an extremely narrow range of economically viable solutions. There are certainly an infinite range of solutions in AI, even for a specific problem, let alone for a space of many

Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-28 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, J. Andrew Rogers wrote: I think the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate how this range is extremely narrow. I should have specified extremely narrow for implementations in our universe as we generally understand it. This is an old discussion, so I'm not going to

Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-28 Thread Brad Wyble
Great stuff Andrew. I should have specified extremely narrow for implementations in our universe as we generally understand it. This is an old discussion, so I'm not going to rehash it. The enemy of implementation is *tractability*, not will this work in theory if I throw astronomical quantities

Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-25 Thread Shailesh Kumar
Hi, I don't know if i am eligible to suggest alternative names for AI or not but here are some suggestions for names (just pure brainstorming for fun.) heuristic intelligence, thinking machines, inorganic intelligence, algorithmic intelligence, intelligent systems, thinking systems, reasoning

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
YKY -- After thinking about this a little more, I've concluded that this proposed AGI Consortium should probably be something separate from AGIRI, which should continue to exist as a vehicle for nonprofit applications of Novamente. OK, I thought about this a little *more* and I changed

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, Personally my inclination is to stick with the name AI or some permutation thereof due to its general recognizability. Even though when you decompose it into the two words artificial and intelligence some of the connotations aren't quite right; nevertheless, the word has acquired so many

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-25 Thread Yan King Yin
Personally my inclination is to stick with the name AI or some permutation thereof due to its general recognizability. Even though when you decompose it into the two words artificial and intelligence some of the connotations aren't quite right; nevertheless, the word has acquired so many

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-24 Thread Yan King Yin
Hi all I have talked to Ben briefly, about turning the AGIRI website into a consortium. He and I agreed it would be a nonprofit for now. Though personally I have aspirations of more elaborate, for-profit objectives for it. But that'll depend on further development. I suggest the consortium

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-24 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, YKY wrote: I have talked to Ben briefly, about turning the AGIRI website into a consortium. He and I agreed it would be a nonprofit for now. Though personally I have aspirations of more elaborate, for-profit objectives for it. But that'll depend on further development. After

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-18 Thread Ben Goertzel
An AGI research consortium would really only work at the edges of AGI research rather than directly coordinating AGI projects. By this I mean doing things like possibly defining certain kinds of data and interchange standards, developing standard test suites and data sets, possibly even

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-17 Thread Peter Voss
YKYwe can form a research consortium to better capture market value and so everyone will get a slice of the pie. This will also facilitate communication and external knowledge sharing between AGI groups (such as sharing a virtual sensory environment testbed). .. It could make sense to share

RE: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-17 Thread Ben Goertzel
G -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yan King Yin Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] AGI research consortium I'm looking for some partners to develop the AGI described on my web page

Re: [agi] AGI research consortium

2004-06-17 Thread J . Andrew Rogers
An AGI research consortium would really only work at the edges of AGI research rather than directly coordinating AGI projects. By this I mean doing things like possibly defining certain kinds of data and interchange standards, developing standard test suites and data sets, possibly even