Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-31 Thread Mike Tintner
Stephen, You might also find this helpful - seems to cover a lot of key figures http://www.hum.au.dk/semiotics/docs2/pdf/seminar_programmes/2007_fall.pdf - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/m

Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-31 Thread Mike Tintner
Bob, First off, I've no idea really what you mean by a "disembodied AGI living on the Net." Might you not just as easily talk about Google "living on the Net?" In both cases, it seems to me, you are talking about what are ultimately only a set of programs which have no simultaneous unity. Th

Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-31 Thread Mike Tintner
Stephen:Is a body map a sort of abstract model of the world, representing the body's situation? Or alternatively might it be more like what Brooks describes - stimulus directly begets action, with no abstraction required? You're talking about one of the hottest areas of discussion currently. E

Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-31 Thread Bob Mottram
On 31/01/2008, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I'm arguing on Singularity, if you want real intelligence you absolutely > need a body as well as a brain. This might not be the case, or to put it another way the term "body" could have a more general meaning. Imagine some disembodied A

Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-31 Thread Stephen Reed
To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Primates using tools. Robert, You're right this is important to intelligence. You're talking about body maps - see Blakeslee's The Body Has A Mind of its Own, where Rizzolatti's work

Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-31 Thread Mike Tintner
Robert, You're right this is important to intelligence. You're talking about body maps - see Blakeslee's The Body Has A Mind of its Own, where Rizzolatti's work is extensively discussed. Body maps help control not only your own movements around the world but are also used by the brain's mirror

Re: [agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-30 Thread Bob Mottram
On 30/01/2008, Robert Wensman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another thing that I guess could use some special hardware, is the ability > to feel empathy and understand other human beings or animals. To understand > other intelligent beings is so important for humans, yet if done in a > general way i

[agi] Primates using tools.

2008-01-30 Thread Robert Wensman
This could perhaps be relevant to understanding human level intelligence. One interpretation here is that the brain of primates considers tools as part of their body, which makes them good at using them: http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/128/2 This of course, still leaves the