RE: [agi] To what extent can our minds experience the consciousness of external reality?

2008-11-22 Thread Ed Porter
Harry, Like most words, information, is used differently by different people at different time. It can be used to describe the extent to which a given communication between two computing entities conveys knowledge to the receiving entity. In this case, something only has information if the

Re: [agi] To what extent can our minds experience the consciousness of external reality?

2008-11-21 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, I have said many times on this list that I believe there is nothing we know about reality that is anything other than computing, and that there is nothing we know about consciousness that is anything other than computing, other than our sense of awareness, which can be considered an

RE: [agi] To what extent can our minds experience the consciousness of external reality?

2008-11-21 Thread Ed Porter
Ben, Thanks for responding. I would deeply appreciate any clarification you could give to my several questions below. (No need to respond immediately. And I have your book The Hidden Pattern, so If there are any five to fifteen page section therein that would help answer these questions

Re: [agi] To what extent can our minds experience the consciousness of external reality?

2008-11-21 Thread Harry Chesley
Ben Goertzel wrote: ...my own belief that consciousness is the underlying reality, and physical and computational systems merely *focus* this consciousness in particular ways, is also not something that can be proven empirically or logically... For what it's worth, let me throw out a random