RE: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-15 Thread David Clark
Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February-14-08 5:11 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s. You are correct that MOST PEOPLE in AI treat observation/perception as pure passive. As on many topics, most people in AI are probably wrong. However, you keep

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-15 Thread Stephen Reed
David said: Most of the people on this list have quite different ideas about how an AGI should be made BUT I think there are a few things that most, if not all agree on. 1. Intelligence can be created by using computers that exist today using software.

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Pei: What type of reasoning is needed for AI? The major answers are: (A): deduction only, (B) multiple types, including deduction, induction, abduction, analogy, etc. And the other thing that AI presumably lacks currently - this sounds so obvious as to be almost silly to say, but I can't

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-14 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi Mike, P.S. I also came across this lesson that AGI forecasting must stop (I used to make similar mistakes elsewhere). We've been at it since mid-1998, and we estimate that within 1-3 years from the time I'm writing this (March 2001), we will complete the creation of a program that

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-14 Thread Pei Wang
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone is talking about observation as if it is PASSIVE - as if you just record the world and THEN you start reasoning. Mike: I really hope you can stop making this kind of claim, for your own sake. For what people

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-14 Thread Bob Mottram
On 14/02/2008, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who knows what we might have achieved had that level of dedication actually continued for 4-7 more years? This kind of frustration is familiar to most inventors, and probably most people on this list. Likewise I'm pretty sure that if I had

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Pei, A misunderstanding. My point was not about the psychology of observation/vision. I understand well that psychology and philosophy are increasingly treating it as more active/reasoned and implicitly referenced Noe. My point is that *AI* and *AGI* treat observation as if it is passive

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-14 Thread Pei Wang
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pei, A misunderstanding. My point was not about the psychology of observation/vision. I understand well that psychology and philosophy are increasingly treating it as more active/reasoned and implicitly referenced