Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread David Hart
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: I wrote down my thoughts on this in a little more detail here (with some pastings from these emails plus some new info): http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2008/12/subtle-structure-of-physical-world.html I

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
David, Good point... I'll revise the essay to account for it... The truth is, we just don't know -- but in taking the virtual world approach to AGI, we're very much **hoping** that a subset of human everyday physical reality is good enough. .. ben On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:46 AM, David Hart

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Dave -- See mildly revised version, where I replaced real world with everyday world (and defined the latter term explicitly), and added a final section relevant to the distinctions between the everyday world, simulated everyday worlds, and other portions of the physical world.

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Mike Tintner
Ben: in taking the virtual world approach to AGI, we're very much **hoping** that a subset of human everyday physical reality is good enough. .. Ben, Which subset(s)? The idea that you can virtually recreate any part or processes of reality seems horribly flawed - and unexamined. Take the

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
The question is how much detail about the world needs to be captured in a simulation in order to support humanlike cognitive development. As a single example, Piagetan conservation of volume experiments are often done with water, which would suggest you need to have fluid dynamics in your

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread David Hart
'On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: See mildly revised version, where I replaced real world with everyday world (and defined the latter term explicitly), and added a final section relevant to the distinctions between the everyday world, simulated everyday

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-26 Thread Ben Goertzel
Suppose I take the universal prior and condition it on some real-world training data. For example, if you're interested in real-world vision, take 1000 frames of real video, and then the proposed probability distribution is the portion of the universal prior that explains the real video.