DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5451-5457

2008-03-02 Thread Josiah Worcester
On 12:53 Sat 23 Feb , Zefram wrote: > This distribution of proposals 5451-5457 initiates the Agoran > Decisions on whether to adopt them. The eligible voters for ordinary > proposals are the active players, the eligible voters for democratic > proposals are the active first-class players, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Not unappealable. AFFIRM reassigns the prior judgement, which starts a >> fresh two-week timer for appealing that assignment. > > No, AFFIRM and OVERRULE both prevent further appeal of the case. From > Rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Arguments: > > The arguments given in Wooble's purported causing the panel to judge > > CFJ 1903a are not labeled as a concurring opinion and th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not unappealable. AFFIRM reassigns the prior judgement, which starts a > fresh two-week timer for appealing that assignment. No, AFFIRM and OVERRULE both prevent further appeal of the case. From Rule 911: However, ru

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arguments: > The arguments given in Wooble's purported causing the panel to judge > CFJ 1903a are not labeled as a concurring opinion and therefore do not > constitute one. While it could be argued that the satisfying t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: > woggle's consent in CFJ 1903a required the panel to publish a > concurring opinion if it judged AFFIRM, which is only possible if done > simulatenously with the assigning of judgement. Gratuituous counterargument: Your consent could have been reasonably parsed as either "I consen

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1897 judged FALSE; appeal assigned to woggle, OscarMeyr, Iammars

2008-03-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1897 > > == CFJ 1897 == > > BobTHJ is a player > > ===

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > Speaking of bugs, does R101.iii (right to CFJ) negate R2175.b (judicial > excess)? No, because R2175(b) doesn't block the right, merely delays it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > And FWIW, I think that assigning an unappealable judgement while > making no attempt whatsoever to actually address the serious question > at hand is simply deplorable. Not unappealable. AFFIRM reassigns the prior judgement, which starts a fresh two-week timer for appealing that as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I assign Default Officeholder to Levi. > > Can non-Players have prerogatives? Yes. R2019 does not require playerhood, only on MwP. R1922 requires playerhood to gain MwP, but not to keep it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > On Saturday 01 March 2008 1:18 Ed Murphy wrote: >> Original Message >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], >> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dice server) >> Subject: Prerogative assignments for March 2008 >> Date: Sat, 01 M

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CFJ 1894's equivalence in my mind only applies for the purposes of > determining the subject and validity of a call for judgement. I think > the text must be evaluated independently of its use or non-use in > calls for j

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 02 March 2008 1:26 Charles Reiss wrote: > > The prior judge was improperly relied on a newer version of the rule > > that included a bugfix for precisely this reason. > > > > The judgement is still appropriate, ho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 02 March 2008 1:26 Charles Reiss wrote: > The prior judge was improperly relied on a newer version of the rule > that included a bugfix for precisely this reason. > > The judgement is still appropriate, however, because there is not a > general equivalence of yes/no questions and statemen

Re: DIS: Prerogatives for March

2008-03-02 Thread Josiah Worcester
On 10:58 Sat 01 Mar , Ed Murphy wrote: > Sorry for being late again; I was badly ill on Wednesday. I'll > take care of it later this morning. > > On the presumption that BobTHJ remains a player, I request that > H. Herald pikhq award em Ministry Without Portfolio, so that e > may take part in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread comex
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of bugs, does R101.iii (right to CFJ) negate R2175.b (judicial > excess)? > I doubt it. iii. only gives us the right to initiate a process to resolve matters of controversy, which "This is Sparta"... isn't really.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 02 March 2008 12:43 Ian Kelly wrote: > And FWIW, I think that assigning an unappealable judgement while > making no attempt whatsoever to actually address the serious question > at hand is simply deplorable. If it really comes down to it, we could always initiate a new CFJ, identical to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 02 March 2008 12:14 Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I assign Default Officeholder to Levi. > > Can non-Players have prerogatives? > Oh, that's an interesting bug. Yes. Only a Minister Without Portfolio can gain a Prerogati

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:01 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I support Murphy's call for appeal of CFJ 1903. In spite of reading this > > > in the caller's arguments, I looked at the ruleset that contained

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 1903a

2008-03-02 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 02 March 2008 12:11 Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:01 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I support Murphy's call for appeal of CFJ 1903. In spite of reading this >>> in the caller's arguments, I looked at the ruleset that contained R591/23, >>> not the recently pa

DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I assign Default Officeholder to Levi. Can non-Players have prerogatives?

DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for March 2008]

2008-03-02 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 01 March 2008 1:18 Ed Murphy wrote: > Original Message > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dice server) > Subject: Prerogative assignments for March 2008 > Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:16:21 -0700 >