Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about some recordkeepors? It wouldn't be so horrible to actually make the Accountor do something for a change.

Re: DIS: Vote Market analysis

2008-07-22 Thread Sgeo
7/07 8 ?S: root B: Sgeo This was 4VP for root to stop objection to extortion, and another 4VP for em to support it.

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Vote Market proposal: Facebook

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comex wrote: Without three objections, I intend to amend the Vote Market contract by adding the following section: I object. I am not going to resolve this attempt. You are, however, free to object to my most recent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I like the idea, I object because I already have enough currencies and transactions to track. Change the recordkeeper and make any VP transfers pragmatic and I'll support this. Well, we can't have the VP transfers

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I like the idea, I object because I already have enough currencies and transactions to track. Change the recordkeeper and make any VP transfers pragmatic

DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:15, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. So you don't want to leave the Protection Racket? -woggle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's all the rage these days.

2008-07-22 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/22 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: tusho wrote: The following action will fail: I initiate a criminal CFJ against tusho for violating rule 2149 by stating that the initiation of this criminal CFJ will fail. I'm treating this as not clearly expressing intent to initiate a CFJ. I'm

DIS: proto: stop silly self-prosecutions

2008-07-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
Protoproposal, AI=1.7: Amend Rule 1504 by inserting the following immediately before the final paragraph: Notwithstanding the above, a sentence of EXILE is always appropriate if the CFJ in question was initiated by the defendant, and the judge SHOULD assign such a

Re: DIS: proto: stop silly self-prosecutions

2008-07-22 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/22 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Protoproposal, AI=1.7: Amend Rule 1504 by inserting the following immediately before the final paragraph: Notwithstanding the above, a sentence of EXILE is always appropriate if the CFJ in question was initiated by the defendant,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2086-87 assigned to Goethe

2008-07-22 Thread Taral
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:12 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguments: UNDECIDABLE is never appropriate. That's an assertion, not an argument. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2086-87 assigned to Goethe

2008-07-22 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/22 Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:12 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguments: UNDECIDABLE is never appropriate. That's an assertion, not an argument. Yeah um what about This statement is false.? Some things are just undecidable.

DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. I'm treating this as ineffective by the precedent of CFJ 1307.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-07-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I call for judgement on the following: ihope changed eir Registrar-recorded nickname to avpx on or about Jul 19th.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2074-76 assigned to Quazie

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: False - ehird refers to the player known as tusho. As a result, any player that attempted to change eir name to ehird after ehird chaned eir name to tusho did

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A compromise

2008-07-22 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ais523 wrote: Without objection, I intend to terminate the pledge which allows anything to act on behalf of tusho. I object. -zefram You sir, are a meanie.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2090 assigned to ais523

2008-07-22 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I judge CFJ 2090 as follows: ... I intend to appeal this judgement with two support. I support. The rules are clear about what creates a CFJ.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2008-07-22 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:29 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 17:35 -0700, Quazie wrote: I post the following Sell Ticket: 1 VP, I will object or support a change to the ?? pledge. This ticket may be filled mutiple times, though only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2086-87 assigned to Goethe

2008-07-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Zefram wrote: For the record, I am dubious about this interpretation of a statement being made, and action being taken, at a particular instant. Making the statement is a process which takes non-zero time, and the statement's truth is evaluated (and any actions take

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A compromise

2008-07-22 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/22 Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I object. -zefram I intend, with two support, to cause Zefram to stop being a dick. tusho (wish I could stop using this.)

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A compromise

2008-07-22 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 22, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/7/22 Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I object. -zefram I intend, with two support, to cause Zefram to stop being a dick. tusho (wish I could stop using this.) I object. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Department of Corrections

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While you're at it, I don't suppose you could add options to search and by full text This. grep is quite useful with cfj.qoid.us, and since it's now down because of billing issues, I have a nice taste of how much harder it is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to this one as well. I really don't like the idea of this going into the Vote Market contract, but why don't you create this as a sub-contract? A sub-contract won't be able to modify VP. While props could just exist

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2088 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A plain reading of these rules shows that a player of Agora has, by definition, explicitly consented to become party to the rules of Agora. A non-player, therefore, is not a party to the rules. The Rules are not a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2088 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-07-22 Thread ihope
With two support, I intend to sigh. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 20, 2008, at 8:42 PM, comex wrote: I initiate a criminal case accusing OscarMeyr of violating Rule 2149 by claiming that tusho could not have violated any rules because e was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread David Nicol
could the current Accountor please contact me concerning specifications for automating their task? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about some recordkeepors? It wouldn't be

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2088 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-07-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By way of counter-suit, I CFJ on the following inquiry: A non-player can violate a rule of Agora. I think CFJ1709 covers this fairly well, although I'm a but skeptical about the idea that we should put much stock in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:19 PM, David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could the current Accountor please contact me concerning specifications for automating their task? I think the Accountor is perfectly capable of creating the automation necessary to publish no report and track nothing.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread David Nicol
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:19 PM, David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could the current Accountor please contact me concerning specifications for automating their task? I think the Accountor is perfectly capable of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex learns vi

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Norrish
comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2008 12:11:32 pm comex wrote: (Still looking for an editor that will allow me to edit text wrapped in the Agoran style without having to unwrap it first.) Try nano + Ctrl-J. I've never known

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2086-87 assigned to Goethe

2008-07-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, ihope wrote: Arguments: After reading Rule 591, Inquiry Cases (where does Rule 1503 come in?), I had forgotten about the logically undecidable part of it, only remembering the not capable of being accurately described as either false or true part. Example (not actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex learns vi

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs' M-q command will wrap paragraphs that appear in ASCII bulleted and numbered lists. E.g., this sort of thing * this is a long paragraph full of words that I am composing in real time, and which breaks over at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex learns vi

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs' M-q command will wrap paragraphs that appear in ASCII bulleted and numbered lists. E.g., this sort of thing * this is a long paragraph full

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2086-87 assigned to Goethe

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Example (not actually CFJing here): I CFJ on the following: This CFJ exists. This particular statement is false before it is called, true after it is called, but in the instant it is called (the instant between it being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex learns vi

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Norrish
Ian Kelly wrote: Oh, and the fill doesn't automatically do what you might want with lettered lists, e.g. Michael's second example above but with a) instead of 1). To refill in that case, you can first set the fill prefix by moving the cursor to the beginning of the text on any line with the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to this one as well. I really don't like the idea of this going into the Vote Market contract, but why don't you create this as a sub-contract? A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:33 PM, David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phooey. I so want to define rounds of applause as a currency, right alongside a href=http://tipjar.com/2008i/tipjarium.html; tipjarium /a which is in pre-alpha state but if you think ReCaptcha is fun, it's a game today.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2090 assigned to ais523

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:35 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: == CFJ 2090 == CFJ 2019 is a valid CFJ.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2090 assigned to ais523

2008-07-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule 106, excerpt A player submits a proposal by publishing it with a clear indication that it is intended to become a proposal, which places the proposal in the Proposal Pool. Rule 1607, excerpt The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2086-87 assigned to Goethe

2008-07-22 Thread ihope
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, ihope wrote: Arguments: After reading Rule 591, Inquiry Cases (where does Rule 1503 come in?), I had forgotten about the logically undecidable part of it, only remembering the not capable of being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Let officers disambiguate

2008-07-22 Thread Quazie
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 19:30, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Let officers disambiguate (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 2208 (Clarity of Announcements) to read: An ambiguous attempt to perform an action

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. I'm treating this as ineffective by the precedent of CFJ 1307. Rule 2124 (Agoran Satisfaction) does not include

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2088 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: A non-player, therefore, is not a party to the rules. The rules are not presently adjudicated as a contract. Dang, did that get changed??? The rule claiming it got repealed a while back. I've

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's all the rage these days.

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:22, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/22 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: tusho wrote: The following action will fail: I initiate a criminal CFJ against tusho for violating rule 2149 by stating that the initiation of this criminal CFJ will fail. I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2090 assigned to ais523

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule 106, excerpt A player submits a proposal by publishing it with a clear indication that it is intended to become a proposal, which places the proposal in the Proposal Pool. Rule 1607,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Equity is becoming more and more powerful because some seemingly crucial parts of the game are located in contracts. And indeed, it has been proposed that we give equity jurisdiction over the Rules. But equity is not in the Spirit of Agora, because it basically forbids scams

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market proposal: Facebook (ii)

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sgeo's FINE in the judge's choice of currency proposal would allow such flexibility. Not really. For one thing, a Vote Market-specific mechanism would be much preferable since the VPs remain zero-sum. But generally, criminal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule 2124 (Agoran Satisfaction) does not include specify like the rule relevant to CFJ 1307 did. Rule 2208/0 (Power=3) Clarity of Announcements All attempts to perform an action by announcement fail if the action