Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer cashes in your stamps

I pledge not to reveal or exploit the information without the consent of Gaelan. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Good enough. I’ll email you in a second. I’m probably being too careful here, > but just in case: let it be known that I possess the ideas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

I retract. G is the herald, accepted. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I am not interested in fighting it. > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 16:44 V.J Rada wrote: >> >> Sorry yeah, I do accept this as true

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

Affixed is a new draft. Notable changes include the addition of section 1.4 with some tweaks to existing rules, adding sustenance (read monthly fees), a few power tweaks, and several additions to the protected actions list. Also included are numerous requested fixes and typo corrections. I think I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer cashes in your stamps

Due to quantity would be my guess. The rule reads "a stamp", the attempt was made for "all stamps". It seems to me that the rules requires an announcement for each stamp that the player wishes to destroy. On Sep 6, 2017 11:39 PM, "Gaelan Steele" wrote: This probably didn’t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:32 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Consent, not support. This requires 60%. Oh, so it does. I retract my complaint - the two looked the same at first glance. > Thanks for the reminder; I pend this with AP. > > P.S. To clarify: this is not an attempt to

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:56 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I create the following proposal “Not So Cuddly Now” with AI 1 by Gaelan: { > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave > Agora > index 4683d3d..962eb2c 100644 > --- a/rules/How to Join

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 03:15 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Hrm. This is interesting. (If they're different) Would the verdict be what > > I intended the message to mean or the consensus on the interpretation of > > what I've written? > > It'd be pretty bad

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3555 assigned to grok

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:34 PM grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > > On Sep 6, 2017 9:24 PM, "Aris Merchant" < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Alex Smith > wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 18:13 -0700,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3555 assigned to grok

On Sep 6, 2017 9:24 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 18:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I CFJ on the following (using AP if I am a Player) and barring >> Publius

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3555 assigned to grok

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 18:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I CFJ on the following (using AP if I am a Player) and barring >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >> >> G. and Cuddlebeam, and no one else, have won the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 03:15 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Hrm. This is interesting. (If they're different) Would the verdict be what > I intended the message to mean or the consensus on the interpretation of > what I've written? It'd be pretty bad for the game if a person's actual intentions (which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

Hrm. This is interesting. (If they're different) Would the verdict be what I intended the message to mean or the consensus on the interpretation of what I've written? On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > It's unclear to me if this is a statement of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

It's unclear to me if this is a statement of fact (whomever has the most votes *now*) or a conditional vote (whomever has the most votes at the end of the voting period). If I had to guess, I'd go with the first one. On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I vote for whoever has the most

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Typical G. "well, in my day" incoming: Conditionals in general crept in through the back door. Before conditional voting, they were mostly very simple, e.g. "If I haven't already payed by AP, I pay by Shiny." Usually this was in the context of quoting a past questionable action and attempting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Apology accepted. To be fair, it was reasonably clear for both of you, it's just that ais523 was replying to my message, which made me wonder. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:31 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Oops. I didn't read the quote text and thought you were asking

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:26 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague > (what > exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, > although there is one potential way out of any SHALL at the moment. Was primarily thinking

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Oops. I didn't read the quote text and thought you were asking me. Sorry for the snark, Aris -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:28 PM, "grok (caleb vines)" wrote: I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:27 PM, "Aris Merchant"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:27 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague (what exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, although there is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague (what exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, although there is one potential way out of any SHALL at the moment. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Is

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

Ah, OK. I look forwards to when you do, then. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm trying not to do the 7 versions thing this time. I haven't added > ais523's upkeep fee thing yet, as it's more complicated than most of > these

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

I'm trying not to do the 7 versions thing this time. I haven't added ais523's upkeep fee thing yet, as it's more complicated than most of these corrections, and I don't want to publish a new draft until I do. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I see

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > On 09/06/17 19:05, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > >From a speech act theory standpoint, any speech act already encodes > conditionals (that the preconditions match, that the way I invoke it > performs it, that others recognizes the

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

I see a lot of "done's" and "fixed" but I don't see a "latest version" part. Please post it to check it out. (I do a lot/want to do a lot of Agency stuff lol. It's my favorite mechanic, and if you make it even better, then, I'd be super grateful) On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Aris Merchant <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

>From a speech act theory standpoint, any speech act already encodes conditionals (that the preconditions match, that the way I invoke it performs it, that others recognizes the previous two points, that everyone assumes genuine intent). Allowing more conditionals to be included is a natural

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:36 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> Lines beginning with hashmarks ("#") and comments in square brackets ("[]") >> have no effect on the behavior of this proposal. They are not part of any >> rules >> created or amended herein, and may be considered

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Your conditional doesn't meet it's own requirements. This arguably requires me to look through all CFJs, to make sure the doctrine hasn't been overturned. I therefore determine that you haven't submitted a proposal. I'd also just add it to the last paragraph, rather than making a new one. -Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On 09/06/17 18:47, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think that's great for Agora but if its based on a CFJ or tradition, > that's more of the "implicit rules" (or "obscure rules") phenomenon > which I dislike. Conditional-ing stuff is as powerful as a real > mechanic imo, and one of the most powerful ones.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On 09/06/17 18:16, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Note: we have explicit conditional voting, but not conditional > explicit action-doing in general. > > I'm in favor of conditional action-doing in general because it's > another useful tool for doing stuff (...and the rules are silent on > the issue).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Oh, no, we definitely have conditional actioning (consider that a nonce). The condition just has to be evaluable at the time it is said, so no future conditionals. At least, that's my understanding. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Note: we have

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

Note: we have explicit conditional voting, but not conditional explicit action-doing in general. I'm in favor of conditional action-doing in general because it's another useful tool for doing stuff (...and the rules are silent on the issue). On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Aris Merchant <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

Could work as a good place for ads too. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Josh T wrote: > I intend to also make news sections freelance-able, to be included if > deemed worthy and author paid if used. Should I win and contracts pass, I > intend to make a contract which

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

I intend to also make news sections freelance-able, to be included if deemed worthy and author paid if used. Should I win and contracts pass, I intend to make a contract which allows me to pay people for articles if they wish to submit them and I choose to include them. Please find a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

I am not interested in fighting it. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 16:44 V.J Rada wrote: > Sorry yeah, I do accept this as true (sorry I got the rules wrong last > night) but because PSS is interested in fighting it I call a CFJ with > the statement "G is the Herald". He deputised

DIS: Re: BUS: Rabbons

I gained it above, w/ G's message. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 15:48 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: >> I award myself white and ultraviolet ribbons > > What's the timing on the Ultraviolet ribbon like? I can see how the > White

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

Oh, sorry: as is obvious from my attempt to re-start it, I thought you were talking about the Quill election. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > The argument that it failed was a combination of the ability to add to the > pool of options mid-decision and the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

I can't do it first because there is no SHALL requiring resolution, the SHALL only applies if the initiation is required. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 16:21 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > At a glance, that's messier and I can't look into it as my lunch break is > almost > over. That

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

The argument that it failed was a combination of the ability to add to the pool of options mid-decision and the confusion regarding the definition of announcement as a candidate. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 16:20 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > That's another CFJ then - from what I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

That's another CFJ then - from what I can tell from searching you never said it didn't work, and I'm not sure I see anything wrong with the announcement - can you point me to any arguments that it failed? On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I don't believe that it had

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

I disagree, I judged the CFJ that noted that it did, indeed, start correctly. [CFJ 3513] The problem with the victory election rule is that there is no requirement for the herald to every resolve the decision. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

I don't believe that it had ever correctly started. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 16:06 Quazie wrote: > I vote for G in the Herald election if it is still ongoing. > > I request that the Herald finally tally the results of the Victory > Election held many moons ago. > > > On Wed,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 13:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If I was the Herald before the below, I resolve the below decision as > indicated (without deputization). I think you can deputise for your own office as long as the other deputisation criteria are met (e.g. the action being late). --

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Revised Monthly Report and Other Stuff

That's not how the Rule actually reads, even if it's more convenient. Please CFJ if you disagree with the plain reading of the rule: - The win was announced over 14 days from when I deputized. - There was no open CFJ when the win was announced, nor when I deputized. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ribbon

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 20:55 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > I also award myself a violet ribbon for deputisation. > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:42 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > I once again cause myself to receive an ultraviolet ribbon. > > -- > > From V.J Rada a) NttPF, b) that's the

DIS: Re: BUS: Rabbons

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 15:37 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 15:48 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > > I award myself white and ultraviolet ribbons > > What's the timing on the Ultraviolet ribbon like? I can see how the > White ribbon works. Did you gain Champion within the previous week?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I take an action

On Tue, 2017-09-05 at 19:24 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > E could stash his money in an organization.  FWIW, I saw this scam ages ago, decided it was too risky to try to use (partly due to the risk of accidentally deregistering myself, but mostly because AFAICT the Shinies would be stuck in the

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becums teh registored

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I am becum reg1stored for dis geim of thigners and monies and offises wich we > pley ere. > By paying 1 AP. I CFJ: "Cuddlebeam is now eligible to claim another Welcome > Package". Counterarguments: The action in question is registering. To me, this

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Revised Monthly Report and Other Stuff

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Good point. Given the lack of a SHALL, no requirement was unfulfilled > and he didn’t take the office. If you want to CFJ this, you can, but > it seems clear to me. Read the rules pls. The SHALL requirement is in R649:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

Thank you. I think mainly in UTC. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Australian eastern standard time. 4pm aest = 6am gmt. > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Publius Scribonius

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

Australian eastern standard time. 4pm aest = 6am gmt. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > What is AEST? > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > >> On Sep 6, 2017, at 6:40

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

What is AEST? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 6, 2017, at 6:40 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > AEST signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

DIS: Re: BUS: Ribbon

You can’t I already did. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 6, 2017, at 6:42 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > I once again cause myself to receive an ultraviolet ribbon. > -- > From V.J Rada signature.asc Description: Message signed

DIS: Re: BUS: Ribbon

I also award myself a violet ribbon for deputisation. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:42 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > I once again cause myself to receive an ultraviolet ribbon. > -- > From V.J Rada -- >From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Rabbons

That is correct I had failed to award the title, explicitly. I was intending for the award to be made implicitly by their inclusion. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:21 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: routine deregistration

What things could be lost forever? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > That and other things which could be lost forever if they are deregistered so > I'm a bit wary for now. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I take an action

We did that with I think o or omd, a while ago. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:55 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Actually, is being non-registered a requirement to register? Couldn't > registered people

DIS: Re: BUS: routine deregistration

Why? This process is intended to deregister anyone who isn’t participating. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 5, 2017, at 11:36 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I object. > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:34 AM, V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > I won't accept or deny this until e responds. > > Unrelated, are you voting on the elections other than Herald? Yah I'll vote when I see if there's multiple people who want any of these or not. competitive elections are more fun :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Regkeepor] ACORN

First of all, I don't think it's overdue enough. Second, the reason I haven't published lately is because there's an outstanding CoE, tied to a judicial case that was never judged, and the report is basicly empty anyway. Try to ask before you take offices, would you? If you actually hold this now,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

I won't accept or deny this until e responds. Unrelated, are you voting on the elections other than Herald? On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: >> Office Holder Since Last Election Can Elect[1] >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

you can take reportor On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: >> As the ADoP, I initiate elections for the positions of Prime Minister, >> Herald, ADoP. and Reportor. >> >> I initiate the Agoran decision to determine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [QAZ][ADoP] Metareport

NTTPF On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: I point my finger at Quazie for never resolving this CoE. I accept this CoE. On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Nic Evans wrote: On 08/21/17 18:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: Through the mechanism described in the agency “Quazie’s

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Herald Election

NTTPF On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: This is not correct. The quorum was 3.0 as the most recently assessed proposal had 5 voters. The outcome is FAILED QUORUM and PSS remains Herald anyway. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:36 PM, V.J Rada wrote: I deputize for ADoP. I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

NTTPF On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: For the Herald, I vote PSS. For the Prime Minister, I vote for myself. For the ADoP, I vote for myself. For the Reportor, I endorse the first person to vote non-conditionally for a player. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:51 PM, V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [QAZ][ADoP] Metareport

I point my finger at Quazie for never resolving this CoE. I accept this CoE. On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > On 08/21/17 18:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> Through the mechanism described in the agency “Quazie’s Autonomous Zeal,” I >> cause Quazie to

DIS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

For the Herald, I vote PSS. For the Prime Minister, I vote for myself. For the ADoP, I vote for myself. For the Reportor, I endorse the first person to vote non-conditionally for a player. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:51 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > As the ADoP, I initiate elections for

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Herald Election

This is not correct. The quorum was 3.0 as the most recently assessed proposal had 5 voters. The outcome is FAILED QUORUM and PSS remains Herald anyway. On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:36 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > I deputize for ADoP. I resolve the election for Herald. Publius >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> [This is both a legitimate proposal and an experiment. I’m happy to >> re-submit it as a “normal” proposal if that’s what people