Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

2019-06-01 Thread James Cook
Oops, thanks, updated. On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 04:45, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2019, James Cook wrote: > > > I believe the answers are yes, and so at the end of this message I will > > judge CFJ 3726 TRUE. Before I say why, I'd like explain why there could > > be doubt about this. >

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

2019-06-01 Thread James Cook
Thanks, noted. On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 04:08, Jason Cobb wrote: > > I will make no claims as to the accuracy of the drafts, but you did forget > a "what" in the wording "D. Margaux calls is later named CFJ 3727." :) > > Jason Cobb > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 PM James Cook wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

2019-06-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 2 Jun 2019, James Cook wrote: I believe the answers are yes, and so at the end of this message I will judge CFJ 3726 TRUE. Before I say why, I'd like explain why there could be doubt about this. 6. An interpretation causing CFJ 3726 to be FALSE

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

2019-06-01 Thread Jason Cobb
I will make no claims as to the accuracy of the drafts, but you did forget a "what" in the wording "D. Margaux calls is later named CFJ 3727." :) Jason Cobb On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 11:59 PM James Cook wrote: > Comments welcome. Sorry that it's so long. I went back and forth on > 3726 a couple

DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

2019-06-01 Thread James Cook
Comments welcome. Sorry that it's so long. I went back and forth on 3726 a couple of times. I believe this is due on June 4 at 21:53 UTC. I plan to send it out the next couple of days. This is my judgement of CFJs 3726 and 3727. CFJ 3726 was called by Aris, with the statement: "The

Re: DIS: What authorizes the Referee to impose the Cold Hand of Justice?

2019-06-01 Thread James Cook
Thanks. I think that makes sense, and it certainly makes CFJ 3726 more interesting. I'll assume you're right unless I hear more about it. On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 01:13, Aris Merchant wrote: > Y’all, I think you’re overthinking this. “authorize” isn’t necessarily a > synonym for “enable”. According

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Aris Merchant
Maybe, but I’d guess not. Assigning a number to something is inherently a by announcement action. If I say “this is boat number 1”, then it’s boat #1 by my definition. All Rule 2141 does is to say the Rulekeepor’s definitions are the ones officially recognized by Agora. -Aris On Sat, Jun 1, 2019

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
No method? There might be a Rule 2125 problem here. Greetings, Ørjan. On Sat, 1 Jun 2019, Aris Merchant wrote: Good question. Rule 2141 says that the Rulekeepor can assign a number, and doesn’t say in what way e must do so, so e could theoretically assign any number. You’re right that this

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

2019-06-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I vaguely seem to recall that there is precedent that payments for something fail entirely if it's impossible for them to achieve that something. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 30 May 2019, James Cook wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 03:34, Rance Bedwell wrote: I make a COE for this Treasuror's

Re: DIS: The Ritual

2019-06-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Interesting. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, then. Thanks for the help! Jason Cobb On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 10:51 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is indeed a tad confusing. The Ritual was explicitly designed as an > expirement to test

Re: DIS: The Ritual

2019-06-01 Thread Aris Merchant
This is indeed a tad confusing. The Ritual was explicitly designed as an expirement to test this very point. Either everyone is a violator or (more likely) no one in particular is. Either way, we’re supposed to feel a collective responsibility to make sure that it is performed. -Aris On Sat, Jun

DIS: The Ritual

2019-06-01 Thread Jason Cobb
[This continues my newbie questions.] Here it goes: who exactly can be punished for violating Rule 2596 ("The Ritual")? The problematic phrasing is: "The Ritual MUST be performed at least once in every Agoran week." Clearly this Rule wishes to specify that such an inaction is a violation.

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Wow. Thank you all for the quick replies. I really was not expecting it that quickly. That all makes sense, thank you. Jason Cobb On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 9:14 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk < ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 18:09 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > > Was that

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 18:09 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > Was that really a deliberate perk? It seems incredibly trivial, as > perks go. I was under the impression the old rule was repealed as > part of a simplification effort; lots of stuff was being repealed > around then. I think it was an

Re: DIS: What authorizes the Referee to impose the Cold Hand of Justice?

2019-06-01 Thread Aris Merchant
Y’all, I think you’re overthinking this. “authorize” isn’t necessarily a synonym for “enable”. According to Google, the definition is “give official permission for or approval to”. I think telling someone they’re required to do something as part of their job counts as “authorization” to do it

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 6:01 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk < ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 20:57 -0400, Jason Cobb wrote: > > I'm new, and I've just started reading the rules, so please forgive me if > > this is has an obvious answer. > > > > Can the Rulekeepor assign any

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Reuben Staley
Rulekeepor reporting in. As AIS523 says, there is no perscribed method of ID assignment. I assign each rule the ID number one greater than the one enacted before it. Theoretically, I *could* influence the way rules are interpreted in a very minor way, but I don't see any purpose. The general

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Aris Merchant
Good question. Rule 2141 says that the Rulekeepor can assign a number, and doesn’t say in what way e must do so, so e could theoretically assign any number. You’re right that this gives em some power over conflict resolution. However, as a matter of convention, e only assigns the next number in

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 20:57 -0400, Jason Cobb wrote: > I'm new, and I've just started reading the rules, so please forgive me if > this is has an obvious answer. > > Can the Rulekeepor assign any ID numbers to rules that e wishes? I ask > because I noticed that the ID numbers of rules affect

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

2019-06-01 Thread James Cook
> The self-ratifying statements were about the current state at the time > they were published, Looking at judge G.'s "BREAKING NEW EVIDENCE" at the bottom of the judgement, it looks like there actually was a ratification of a document explicitly talking about the past, not just about the current

DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Hello everyone, I'm new, and I've just started reading the rules, so please forgive me if this is has an obvious answer. Can the Rulekeepor assign any ID numbers to rules that e wishes? I ask because I noticed that the ID numbers of rules affect conflict resolution, and there doesn't seem to be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8177

2019-06-01 Thread James Cook
> Here are the hypotheticals and my answers: These all make sense to me, though I haven't dug too deeply. I noticed a few things while researching whether ratification can in some sense "change the past". I'll post separately about that, although it looks like the CFJ won't depend on it. >

Re: DIS: What authorizes the Referee to impose the Cold Hand of Justice?

2019-06-01 Thread D. Margaux
Interesting catch! Is there any argument that, in this circumstance, MUST implies CAN? I think probably that argument doesn’t work, but here’s what it might say: There is no method for the Referee to discharge eir mandatory duties except by imposing the Cold Hand of Justice when warranted.