Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing pledges

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
Thanks, that's a really good idea. I changed the wording slightly to remove some ambiguity; that leaves this text: { [Comment: This clarifies the wording to explicitly use both the time window and penalty specified in the Oath. This also specifies that pledges can only be violated once.] Am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
It happens :). We at least get some interesting precedent out of it. And you might have stopped G. and ais523 from doing crazy stuff. Jason Cobb On 6/25/19 1:23 AM, James Cook wrote: CFJ: "There exists a proposal with the title 'It's caused enough trouble already' and with a valid adoption ind

DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing pledges

2019-06-24 Thread James Cook
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 05:08, Jason Cobb wrote: > for 60 days. If the Cold Hand of Justice is imposed on a Player for > violating a certain pledge, then that pledge ceases to be a pledge. A pledge can still be violated multiple times, even with this text, during the window of time between

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-24 Thread James Cook
> > CFJ: "There exists a proposal with the title 'It's caused enough > > trouble already' and with a valid adoption index." > > > > CFJ: "There exists an Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal with the > > title 'It's caused enough trouble already' and with a valid adoption > > index." Sorry! I reall

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
I think the main issue with contracts is that there are fairly complex desires for what we want them to do. The changes to R1742 ensure that they can prohibit/require anything that the Rules define, which I think is desirable. If that's all we wanted contracts to be able to do, then that would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Aris Merchant
In large part, it’s the whole thing together. It feels like a complex set of changes across multiple rules. The fact that such a change is necessary suggests that the entire approach is inelegant. In general, the best approaches to solving problems require relatively few rule changes, and it feels

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
Is it any parts specifically, or is it just the entire thing when looked at together? If it's any part specifically, I imagine it's either the Rule 1742 or the Rule 2125 changes. The Rule 2125 changes were intended to mirror the old Rule 2125 as closely as possible. The big changes (outside

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
Thanks! Responses inline again. Jason Cobb On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote: A contract CAN define and regulate the following actions, except that the performance of them must include at least clearly and unambiguously announcing the performance of t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Aris Merchant
It’s getting to the point where this is feeling inelegant again, which is usually a very bad sign. -Aris On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Here's v2 for further comment. Since we've got a while before the next > distribution, I'll leave it up for much longer. > > omd: any of y

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: that pesky empty set again

2019-06-24 Thread Rebecca
i favour this On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 6:13 PM omd wrote: > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > CFJ: An Agoran decision to select the winner of the election has > > a voting method of AI-Majority. > > > > Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices, Power=3): > >

DIS: Re: BUS: that pesky empty set again

2019-06-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > CFJ: An Agoran decision to select the winner of the election has > a voting method of AI-Majority. > > Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices, Power=3): > Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran > decis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > A contract CAN define and regulate the following actions, except > that the performance of them must include at least clearly and > unambiguously announcing the performance of the action: What does it mean to "define" an