Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 6:25 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > Questions for anyone interested in Agora: > > 1. Would you be interested in seeing an Agoran newsletter? Not like >"Last week in Agora"; I mean something more carefully written and >covering a longer span of time. Y

DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Questions for anyone interested in Agora: 1. Would you be interested in seeing an Agoran newsletter? Not like "Last week in Agora"; I mean something more carefully written and covering a longer span of time. 2. Do you think my "Last Week in Agora" summaries are useful? Any other comments

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
Alexis wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > > AI: 3 > > > Chamber: Efficiency > > > > > > Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first

Fwd: BUS: Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
(TTttDF forward.) On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:17 AM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in > the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 00:35, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > > AI: 3 > > > Chamber: Efficiency > >

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread omd via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:17 AM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in > the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is a more > radical chan

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > AI: 3 > > Chamber: Efficiency > > > Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first in the batch so that the > other prop

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 4:17 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2/1/20 7:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > No worries, it happens to all of us. That's why we have review > > mechanisms in place. The review of others is the best way o

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > I submit a proposal as follows: > > Title: Unrepetition > AI: 3 > Chamber: Efficiency Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first in the batch so that the other proposals have a definite ruleset to work with? If not, I'll try to remember to resolve it fi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 7:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > No worries, it happens to all of us. That's why we have review > mechanisms in place. The review of others is the best way of catching > errors, and everyone makes an error from time to time. Your legal > reasoning is generally very goo

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 4:05 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 2/1/20 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a motion to reconsider. > > I self-file a motion to reconsider in CFJ 3788. > > > > This > > seems to me to fundamentally m

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread omd via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 3:10 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I agree with the caller that the "minimal change" caused by ratification > does not insert events to cancel out the changes it just made. Instead, > the ratification simply fails to adjust the gamestate except at the > modificat

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 23:25, James Cook wrote: > Wait, I'm confused. Which document are you talking about? And what > does "solely through a lack of change by ratification" mean? (These arguments are moot now that I've responded to the official judgment, but ignore this particular argument especi

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 23:10, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > JUDGEMENT IN CFJ 3788 Okay, completely different, updated comment: I'm confused. This judgement doesn't seem to consider that ratification involves two gamestate modifications. One is a hypothetical "minimal" change, and the oth

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 6:25 PM, James Cook wrote: > Comments inline. I think I agree with the gist of this, but there are > parts I'm confused about, and also, I don't quite buy one of your > arguments (but it could be because I'm confused). > You're probably confused because, in hindsight, the draft wasn't ve

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Comments inline. I think I agree with the gist of this, but there are parts I'm confused about, and also, I don't quite buy one of your arguments (but it could be because I'm confused). > Rule 1551 states that the gamestate is "minimally modified to make the > ratified document as true and accurat

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 5:33 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: >> 8310& Jason, Alexis3.0 Deputisation timeliness > PRESENT. Seems inoffensive, but I haven't been paying attention to the > discussion about why it's necessary. Also it's one of those proposals > that requires me to pain

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 5:24 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > 8310& Jason, Alexis3.0 Deputisation timeliness > AGAIST --- Wouldn't let me deputise for a vacant office to perform an > action unrelated to the office? Err... yes, yes it would. That's not good. (No, this wasn't a scam.) -

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 03:15, omd via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:29 PM Aris Merchant via agora-official > wrote: > > 8308& Falsifian3.0 Imposing order on the order > AGAINST; I think this is too vague to be a valid rule change Are you referring to this pa

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 00:10, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't > succeed? I've lost track. > > In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first > succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratificat

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 18:20, James Cook wrote: > Bah, sorry, I overlooked the stuff about ordering of facts when I wrote that. I mean ordering the evaluation of legal fictions.

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat., Feb. 1, 2020, 12:57 James Cook, wrote: > Finally had time to read this sort-of-carefully. It do like it better > than the current "minimally modified" language for ratification. > > Wasn't there a time in the past when ratification worked by the rules > simply declaring that when a docum

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Committee for twg

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
NttPF. -- Jason Cobb On 1/31/20 8:50 AM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 22:37 Alexis Hunt via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to award twg the Patent Title of Associate >> of Nomic, subject to the c

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 16:30, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 16:17 +, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", > > in the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > > failing du

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Finally had time to read this sort-of-carefully. It do like it better than the current "minimally modified" language for ratification. Wasn't there a time in the past when ratification worked by the rules simply declaring that when a document is ratified, it becomes true at the time specified? I d

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 12:09 AM, James Cook wrote: > Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't > succeed? I've lost track. > > In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first > succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratification, I > tried to work out what

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread AIS523--- via agora-discussion
On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 16:17 +, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", > in the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is a > more radical c

DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is a more radical change and makes the use of ratification less concise, but in my opinion the reward

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-02-01 Thread omd via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 9:25 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > Would this ordinance have any "fighting chance" against the United > States Constitution? One may say that yes, it would. After all, the > Constitution is part of United States law, and the ordinance is also > part of Unite