On 9/30/24 7:49 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote:
Wait. Is “ana” a word?
I had to look it up too. Ana and kata are the directions in the fourth
dimension
See (appropriately enough) etymology 4:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ana
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Mischief
Collector, Illuminator, Prime Minister
Hat: s
On 9/26/24 9:41 AM, juan via agora-business wrote:
Mischief via agora-business [2024-09-25 20:08]:
I believe I should have 18 spendies at the moment, so...
[…]
I transfer 6 spendies to Juan
[…]
I transfer 6 spendies to Juan
[…]
I transfer my last remaining spendie to juan, just because.
Nine t
On 9/22/24 6:50 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
On 9/22/24 17:27, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
I deputize as prime minister to appoint myself as speaker.
I temporarily deputize as Prime Minister to appoint snail speaker.
That still doesn't satisfy R2160(6).
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Mischief
C
On 9/22/24 5:27 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
I deputize as prime minister to appoint myself as speaker.
This fails due to R2160(6)
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Mischief
Collector, Illuminator
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: ghostly
Bang holdings: 0
On 9/18/24 7:34 AM, lare290 via agora-discussion wrote:
If I have not yet done so, I vote as follows:
9182~ 4st, oliver.n 1.0 ???
FOR (I've been sick for a week, I'm about as confused as the boulder)
9183~ snail 1.0 Creation Crystals
PRESENT
Not to the p
On 9/17/24 4:52 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
I don't like the perverse incentives that crystals create. If someone
else writes a proposal that touches a lot of rules, then I'm
incentivized to vote AGAINST that proposal for economic reasons, even if
it's good. I try not to do that,
On 9/15/24 4:10 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote:
RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 9168-9178
=
IDTitle Result
9168 Erosion in Geological Rhyme ADOPTED
Here's my understanding
On 9/15/24 4:23 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
On Sun, 2024-09-15 at 16:10 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote:
IDTitle Result
9168 Erosion in Geological Rhyme ADOPTED
9169 Not
On 9/9/24 3:07 PM, 4st nomic via agora-official wrote:
Bang: snail, Mischief(x2)
Did I really win Bang twice? I thought we only had two successful rounds
total -- with snail winning the first -- but I easily could be
misremembering (a disadvantage of untracked games).
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Mi
On 9/8/24 5:16 PM, Mischief via agora-business wrote:
I wield the Minty Stone, specifying myself
*sigh* this failed, as the Minty Stone was still hot.
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: ghostly
Bang holdings: 0
On 9/8/24 6:08 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-business wrote:
I CFJ on the statement "I owe Janet and Mischief one spendie each."
I bar Janet from this CFJ due to eir obvious conflict of interest (I would
bar Mischief as well, but I can only bar one person...)
Something worth pointing out to the e
On 9/8/24 7:02 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
ID Author(s) AITitle
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9181~ ais523, kiako 2.0 A New Economy
I'm torn... despite the fact this is in competition with a frame
On 9/7/24 8:18 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
FOR, although it should probably also have granted additional Bangs to
unbrick the current round
The most recent round already timed out.
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: ghostly
Bang holdings: 0
On 9/3/24 8:28 AM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote:
Proto-proposal: "Frank Voting" AI=2
Here's a revised proto. I think it's pretty close to being ready to go,
but given the potential impact I wanted to proceed cautiously.
"Frank Voting" AI=2 (coauthors=k
On 9/3/24 3:03 PM, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote:
On 9/3/24 7:28 AM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote:
however, if a Power Grab specifies zero Stamps this fee is
automatically considered paid.
Do fee-based actions not already consider 0-item fees trivially paid?
Not explicitly as far
On 9/3/24 9:49 AM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote:
On Sep 3, 2024, at 7:29 AM, Mischief via agora-discussion
wrote:
Proto-proposal: "Frank Voting" AI=2
Where's Frank?
Cancelled.
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: alive
Bang holdings: 1
On 9/3/24 9:08 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
I noticed you used Stamps for everything… why is that?
They don't tend to circulate very much at the moment. This is intended
to spur trading and spending Stamps.
Based on Discord discussions, there are some ideas in circulation f
Proto-proposal: "Frank Voting" AI=2
[The new model in a nutshell: Offices -> Complexity -> Stamps -> Power
Grabs -> Voting Strength
Voting Strength is still in the 3-6 range, and there is a universal
basic income for Stamps. Uncommon Stamps are more valuable for Power Grabs.
The Assessor
On 9/2/24 6:19 PM, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote:
Once per week, a player (the flippor) CAN by announcement "flip" a chit
e own
"e owns"
> - Desert Chit (0, varies): Destroy this chit. (The flippor NEED NOT
> specify a flippee.)
"(created only as explicitly specified by this rule)" or so
On 9/2/24 6:13 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-business wrote:
Who is LiterallyAmbibuous?
That one fails obviously
Or maybe it's literallyAmbitious. E was quite an infamous go-getter back
in the day.
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: alive
Bang holdings: 1
On 9/2/24 5:59 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
I intend, with notice, to make LiterallyAmbibuous inactive.
Is that literallyAmbiguous, literallyAmphibious, or someone else?
FWIW, l-Ambiguous just did a stamp / Gray ribbon trade with Murphy a
couple days ago.
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Mischief
Collecto
On 9/2/24 2:59 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
On 9/1/24 19:00, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
Amend rule 2528 (Voting Methods) by replacing "thereof." with
"thereof)." and inserting a paragraph break immediately after the
replaced string.
The replaced string is no longer
On 9/2/24 5:54 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
Would that interfere with my intent to deputise or not?
On Saturday, 31 August 2024 at 01:35, Mischief via agora-business
wrote:
I announce my intent to cause the office of Spendor to
become vacant without 2 objections, per rule 10
On 9/1/24 11:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
CoE: The ownership of the Recursion Stone is disputed, and depends on
the outcome of CFJ 4093. (I know you know this, but as far as I can
tell snail would self-ratify as the owner if I didn't CoE, because the
report doesn't make it clear that
On 8/31/24 7:09 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
I wield the Minty Stone, specifying myself.
This fails, as Kate wielded the Minty Stone at 2024-08-26 21:30:21.
(However, your purchase of it immediately prior did succeed.)
On 8/31/24 7:57 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
If
On 9/1/24 6:58 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
This fails. You spent 20 spendies on stones in your message at 00:00 (UTC),
leaving you with none.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 01:03, secretsnail9 via agora-business
<[agora-busin...@agoranomic.org](mailto:On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 01:03, se
On 8/31/24 8:16 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
Do you think I should deputise for Spendor or not?
I don't think you can at the moment -- that was the crux of CFJ 4083 [1]
and the reason for proposal 9161. If the Spendor had other duties you
could deputise on one of them, but it
On 8/31/24 4:50 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
The intent will become ripe in 4 days, then it’s 7 days for a sortition, so
there will be at least 11 days between now and when Spendies actually start
working again. That’s a bit too long…
I think I have 30 Spendies, but who knows
On 8/29/24 6:10 PM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
If crystal liquidation fails and this passes, that would not be good
I assume most voting against crystal liquidation would vote against this
too.
Or maybe folks want a tighter money supply
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk ha
On 8/26/24 4:40 PM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote:
On 8/25/24 12:13 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:
I judge CFJ 4089 TRUE, per the arguments below. The relevant section
of proposal 9136 had its full intended effect.
Does this raise some uncertainty about any prior rule
On 8/28/24 5:34 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote:
Oh dear...
But how does the voting method being instant runoff make problems for me?
What if I cast a ballot for 4st > LiterallyAmbiguous?
What if I cast a ballot for 4st > LiterallyAmbiguous >
yet-to-be-announced-candidate?
Vot
On 8/28/24 5:23 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote:
Does it? If I run out, it becomes impossible for me to uphold the next
instance of the pledge, even if I try to. Surely if it's impossible to
uphold a pledge, one can't be considered to have broken it.
Rule 2531 (Defendant's Rights)
On 8/28/24 4:24 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-business wrote:
If I have not already made a binding pledge to bribe... I mean *reward*
everyone who votes for me with one spendie each, I do so now. Spendies will
be paid to each recipient within one Agoran week of their vote being cast.
Breaking this
On 8/27/24 8:07 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote:
I think the link broke sorry
I think the lists strip out HTML automatically. Just including a bare
URL should work, though:
https://agoranomic.org/
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: alive
Bang holdings: 1
On 8/25/24 12:13 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:
I judge CFJ 4089 TRUE, per the arguments below. The relevant section
of proposal 9136 had its full intended effect.
Does this raise some uncertainty about any prior rule changes that we
originally thought failed? The ruleset was last
On 8/24/24 10:06 AM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote:
ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS
This, plus the titles and dividing lines suggests to me there are three
regulations here...
-
On 8/25/24 9:50 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
but I can't see a good reason *not* to respond to it
The fact that it was (deliberately) posted to a-d and thus wasn't an
announcement?
Also, you submitted that document, but no one has documented that
submission. Tsk tsk.
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Mischief
On 8/22/24 1:42 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
I submit this document.
CoE: nuh uh.
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Mischief
Collector
Hat: steampunk hat
Vitality: alive
Bang holdings: 0
On 8/21/24 1:26 AM, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote:
Whoops, wrong forum.
Are you reply-all-ing? Your first message went to both a-d and a-b. The
end result is you ended up with two separate posts to a-b (so two
separate transfers).
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranom
On 8/20/24 8:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
9162~ Mischief 1.0 Shameless Bribery 2A
AGAINST: I am philosophically opposed to bribing people to pass
proposals using assets/rewards that are created by the proposal itself,
because there's no cost to it
Isn't that -- o
On 8/19/24 6:14 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote:
Classic "I said I did, therefore I did." In this case, clearing the
designation is an unregulated action, but not one that the rules describe
as being able to have an effect on the game, so it does nothing.
In regards to the "ratifica
On 8/19/24 6:23 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
//
ID: 9166
Title: Untracked hats
Adoption Index: 1.0
Author: Janet
Co-authors:
Amend Rule 2594 ("Hats") by replacing "Hats are a secured player switch"
with "Hats are
Proto-Proposal: "Stone of the People" (AI=2)
[This is meant as a replacement for the Sabotage Stone. It's a milder
effect than the Sabotage Stone. However, you can target all of a single
player's proposals at once, so replicating the Sabotage Stone's
workaround would at least require multipl
On 8/13/24 8:44 AM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote:
I assign CFJs 4090 and 4091 to Mischief.
CFJ 4090 was called by 4st and reads: 'I have at least one ownership of
the Veblen, since I "gains ownership of the Veblen".'
CFJ 4091 was called by 4st and reads: 'I currently have 5 sp
On 8/13/24 6:37 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
I pay a fee of 4 Spendies to transfer the Protection Stone to myself.
(Rule 2645 attempts to make the stone immune, but rule 2640 attempts to
make it non-immune, and wins on ID number tiebreak.)
Didn't we deliberately pass a proposal to make
On 8/11/24 8:29 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
Thank you 4st for reminding me! Somehow it's been months since they were
mentioned.
On 5/13/24 18:45, Joshua Boehme via agora-business wrote:
I CFJ on the statement "Elysion is a fugitive of the old law"
This is CFJ 4080. I judge it T
Proto-Proposal: "Yo Ho Ho!" (AI=1)
Amend rule 2690 (Spendies) by replacing the sentence reading:
At the beginning of each month, every player is granted 20
Spendies.
with:
At the beginning of each month, every player is granted 5 + N
Spendies, where N is the lesser of
On 7/29/24 8:11 PM, 4st nomic via agora-official wrote:
This is your reminder that game night has already begun. I'm not required
anywhere to post this. But I thought it would be nice to do anyways. :)
Isn't this a little over a day early? The tournament started 23 Jul 2024
20:07:43 -0700, a
On 7/24/24 7:22 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
I flip the match state to initializing. (As the match state hasn't changed
in the last 7 days).
The match state switch has only existed for a little less than 6 days.
Does that count as unchanged for 7?
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Mischief
Collector, Speake
On 7/13/24 11:25 PM, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote:
Cfj: the appended paragraph exists in the new rule.
Arguments FOR: the previous judgement Janet referenced. I think it makes
sense and applies (at least, the way Janet summarized the argument).
Also, AND says do as much as is possible. Eg
I separated these in case folks like one but not the other...
("Baa" AI=2):
[Creates a stone that follows other stones around]
Amend rule 2645 (The Stones) by adding, at the end, to the list of stones:
- Sheep Stone (monthly): This stone has no effect. Whenever
the Sheep Stone
On 7/6/24 12:28 AM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
On 7/1/24 18:48, Mischief via agora-official wrote:
I deputise as Collector to publish the following report.
I don't think you need this bit anymore.
I don't hold the office -- P9136 will fix that flaw -- and item 3) in rule
2160 s
Create a rule entitled "The Veblen" with power 0.5 reading:
The Veblen is a unique indestructible fixed asset.
Ownership of the Veblen is entirely restricted to Agora and
players. If the Veblen is owned by the Lost and Found Department
or in abeyance, it is immediately
On 6/30/24 9:00 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
* The leader is the party that has revealed the highest secret number that
is not equal to any other revealed secret number. Immediately before the
end of the week, the leader is granted X tokens, where X is the number of
times the pot w
On 6/30/24 11:40 PM, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote:
I become an option for the office of Webmastor.
I become an option for the office of Tailor.
I become an option for the office of Collector.
I become an option for the office of Stonemason.
Hmmm... Are you doing this so you'll win at le
On 6/29/24 2:55 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote:
On 29/06/2024 14:15, Mischief via agora-business wrote:
I'll, with this, Magenta Ribbon score a,
Posting to my choice of public fora,
Born that day 'cause Nomic World's no more, huh?
Harken players current and of yore: A-
lexis
On 6/24/24 10:39 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote:
HIGHEST NUMBER GAME
Some thoughts...
1. To avoid turning this into a contest of who can type the most nines into an
email or abuse Knuth notation the most, maybe make the winner the player with
the median number (higher of the two middlemo
On 6/16/24 3:07 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:
Mischief wrote:
I wield the Hot Potato, specifying Murphy
I wield the Hot Potato Stone, specifying literallyAmbiguous.
Doesn't the Hot Potato Stone still need a few hours to cool down from my use of
it?
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Mischief
On 6/4/24 5:01 AM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
ID Author(s) AITitle
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9124~ Murphy 1.0 Rock strat
How do boulder aficionados feel about this?
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Mischief
On 6/3/24 3:27 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
On 6/3/24 14:25, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
what I
0wrote last time
0wrote
Unforgivable
Agoran dendrochronology
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Mischief
On 6/1/24 3:57 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
Actually, the fee-based actions rules don't have any special cases for
negative values, and you can't destroy a negative number of assets. So I
think if the required fee is negative, it's just not possible to do (and
this is... not a crazy
On 6/1/24 7:07 AM, Mischief wrote:
On 5/31/24 7:26 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
On 5/26/24 21:33, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
On 5/25/24 13:39, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:
9115~ snail 2.0 Lode Stone
Well:
I change my vote on the referen
On 5/31/24 4:23 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
What was the cost of this stone when you did that? Shouldn't it be 9
because I transferred it to myself last week? Or is the SLR out of date
on this?
The latter is true. (I haven't been tracking the stone movements closely enough
to say any
On 5/29/24 3:20 PM, juan via agora-discussion wrote:
I just realized that someone that registered on the 29th of February
would raise questions about birthday announcements. This doesn't seem to
have come up, as no players have yet registered on that day (according
to my records). Has this every
On 5/29/24 12:18 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote:
Indeed, I was on digest mode so I didn't see it right away. Happy to be here!
Welcome!
You may wish to use the 10 Spendies from your welcome package soon (e.g., on
Stamps, radiance, or stones) since they expire at the end of the m
On 5/27/24 1:59 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
On 5/27/24 12:53, nix via agora-business wrote:
I CFJ: "The CFJ above bars the player currently named 'apathy'"
I number this CFJ 4085. I assign it to ais523.
Gratuitous: This is trivially TRUE. Names have no legal meaning in
Agora, and plen
On 5/20/24 4:19 AM, juan via agora-official wrote:
==
absurdor: juan The State of the Absurd 2024-05-20
==
# _/
On 5/26/24 8:03 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
On 5/15/24 15:48, Joshua Boehme via agora-business wrote:
In the past I went by Elysion, but that nickname feels like it belongs
to another era. This time I'll go by Mischief, and for ease I'll be
using agoran.misch...@gmail.com as my email add
On 5/25/24 10:11 PM, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote:
In an effort to reduce the ruleset, what if we offload things that only
affect the officer of a report, or rather, leave the specifics of mechanics
to the officer that tracks it?
Could you explain a little about more how you see this work
On 5/25/24 7:05 AM, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote:
9119* Mischief3.0 Say It Once Mk II
PRESENT, I am not aware of the full implications of this change.
It's meant to remove a redundancy. Rule 1950 secures Adoption Index twice...
Adoption index (AI) is an
Proto-proposal ("Hats" AI=1):
[The idea here is to have a playful mechanism that also serves as a straw poll of how
players are feeling. Inspired by the self-reporting approach in the "Bang!"
subgame, a player could include eir current hat in eir signature if e wished. The
recordkeepor langu
On 5/15/24 5:48 PM, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote:
FWIW, Welcome back!
Why I declare, apathy, you have manners befitting a true Southern gentlespivak.
(Deliberately NttPF, but someone needed to make a joke along these lines
eventually)
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Mischief
On 5/18/24 1:58 PM, juan via agora-discussion wrote:
Janet Cobb via agora-business [2024-05-18 12:55]:
I CFJ on the statement "Elysion is a fugitive of the old law"
[…]
I CFJ on the statement "Elysion is still a fugitive of the old law"
[…]
Gratuitous:
These might be both IRRELEVANT, as th
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