DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
[Long because I'm honored to finally weigh in on ISIDTID? Yes. Too subjective a precedent? Maybe. Discuss. -Goethe ] PSEUDO-JUDGEMENT 1774 First of all, Agora, by custom and practice, is based on actual actions of individuals, not on purported actions by directed avatars. Hence Kelly's Fa

DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
Murphy wrote: > Rule 478 has only defined "by announcement" since February 2003, when > it was quietly introduced as a side effect of Proposal 4456 (which > introduced Switches for the first time, and defined one for fora). Historical note: This was a result of Maud's concerns expressed in CFJ

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >Too subjective a precedent? Maybe. Discuss. -Goethe ] Has generic and case-specific portions, which you've clearly labelled. Good arrangement. >When Agoran Rules allow an action to be conducted "by announcement", >the specific announcement is the action in question, giving

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Zefram
Oh, I just remembered another precedent which supports part of your analysis: some years ago KoJen posted an announcement along the lines of "I hereby perform every action that it is possible for me to take in Agora, simultaneously.". I don't think there was a CFJ, but everyone treated it as inval

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread comex
On 11/1/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note that requiring the scammer to repeat the message 10,000 > times is not that much of a technical or time effort; eg. 5 minutes > and a perl script. It does present a cultural/social barrier > which is a de facto effort to break. We recognize

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >By the way, although I'm not going to try to perl 10,000 CFJs, I see >no reason not to try to scam this before the loophole is closed (with >Proposal 5284 or such) with, say, 100. Actually 100 has been done before, written out in full. Also, the voting period on P5284 will end befor

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread comex
On Thursday 01 November 2007, Zefram wrote: > comex wrote: > >By the way, although I'm not going to try to perl 10,000 CFJs, I see > >no reason not to try to scam this before the loophole is closed (with > >Proposal 5284 or such) with, say, 100. > > Actually 100 has been done before, written out in

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: When Agoran Rules allow an action to be conducted "by announcement", the specific announcement is the action in question, giving the appearance that we support ISIDTID. In reality, we are recognizing the actual act of posting a message as the action. Yes.

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Ian Kelly
On 11/1/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zefram wrote: > > > Kerim Aydin wrote: > > >> When Agoran Rules allow an action to be conducted "by announcement", > >> the specific announcement is the action in question, giving the > >> appearance that we support ISIDTID. In reality, we are rec

Re: DIS: I say I pseudo-judge

2007-11-01 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 11/1/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Zefram wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: When Agoran Rules allow an action to be conducted "by announcement", the specific announcement is the action in question, giving the appearance that we support ISIDTID. In reality, we are recognizi