Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-22 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > H. CotC Murphy: you have less than a day left to assign these, and they > aren't listed in your database anywhere. Especially as proposal 6159 is > pending, this is pretty urgent; otherwise, I'll have to try to exploit > the possible dictatorship before its existence is ruled on, w

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:39 +, Alex Smith wrote: > I call for judgement on the statement "Murphy's recent attempt to cause > Rule 2223 to amend itself to read 'This rule intentionally left blank' > was using the mechanism specified in rule 2223, rather than the > mechanism specified in the rule

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2009-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 10:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> In the example ais523 gives for points, the difference matters for >> it depletes a reserve of points awardable for a particular contest. >> However, that means the consequences differ. In the curren

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2009-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > Ambiguous actions are normally taken to fail. I'm not sure whether the > action Murphy tried was ambiguous enough to cause it to fail, but it > certainly isn't completely clear-cut. Rule changes are held to a higher > standard, as is shown by this quote fro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > What about having the resolution of the proposal count as the win > announcement? The idea is that the player's own action should always cause the win, so e can take care of eir Rests and not have to worry about timing issues.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > comex wrote: > >> Amend Rule 2223 (Win by Junta) by replacing: >> >> When a rule comes to state that one or more persons CAN cause it >> to make arbitrary rule changes by announcement, all those >> persons satisfy the Winning Condition of Dictatorship. >> >> wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > Amend Rule 2223 (Win by Junta) by replacing: > > When a rule comes to state that one or more persons CAN cause it > to make arbitrary rule changes by announcement, all those > persons satisfy the Winning Condition of Dictatorship. > > with: > > Upon a win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, comex wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Is it that clear cut that the particular win rule works in the instant >> only?  I generally find "When a rule comes to..." to be pretty close to >> "When it has come to pass that..." which lasts as long a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread comex
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Is it that clear cut that the particular win rule works in the instant > only?  I generally find "When a rule comes to..." to be pretty close to > "When it has come to pass that..." which lasts as long as the text is in > the rules.  Wrong abo

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2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: >> A win announcement is not required for a Win by Junta; instead, the >> winning condition is satisfied as soon as the rule comes to contain >> the dictatorship text. Note that this means Murphy did not win >> because, at the time the rule came to contain th

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2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, comex wrote: > I nominate myself for Assessor. Note: I will be out of town for 5 days starting just before this nomination period ends; delays in starting any resulting election are not due to favoritism. -Goethe.

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2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, comex wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> As permitted by the rule created by Proposal 6130, I cause Rule 2223 >> (Win by Junta) to amend itself by appending this paragraph: > > This fails because it is unclear whether this is supposed to take > effe