DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:39 +, Alex Smith wrote: I call for judgement on the statement Murphy's recent attempt to cause Rule 2223 to amend itself to read 'This rule intentionally left blank' was using the mechanism specified in rule 2223, rather than the mechanism specified in the rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-22 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: H. CotC Murphy: you have less than a day left to assign these, and they aren't listed in your database anywhere. Especially as proposal 6159 is pending, this is pretty urgent; otherwise, I'll have to try to exploit the possible dictatorship before its existence is ruled on,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: What about having the resolution of the proposal count as the win announcement? The idea is that the player's own action should always cause the win, so e can take care of eir Rests and not have to worry about timing

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: Ambiguous actions are normally taken to fail. I'm not sure whether the action Murphy tried was ambiguous enough to cause it to fail, but it certainly isn't completely clear-cut. Rule changes are held to a higher standard, as is shown by this quote from

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 10:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: In the example ais523 gives for points, the difference matters for it depletes a reserve of points awardable for a particular contest. However, that means the consequences differ. In the current

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, comex wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: As permitted by the rule created by Proposal 6130, I cause Rule 2223 (Win by Junta) to amend itself by appending this paragraph: This fails because it is unclear whether this is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, comex wrote: I nominate myself for Assessor. Note: I will be out of town for 5 days starting just before this nomination period ends; delays in starting any resulting election are not due to favoritism. -Goethe.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: A win announcement is not required for a Win by Junta; instead, the winning condition is satisfied as soon as the rule comes to contain the dictatorship text. Note that this means Murphy did not win because, at the time the rule came to contain that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread comex
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Is it that clear cut that the particular win rule works in the instant only?  I generally find When a rule comes to... to be pretty close to When it has come to pass that... which lasts as long as the text is in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, comex wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Is it that clear cut that the particular win rule works in the instant only?  I generally find When a rule comes to... to be pretty close to When it has come to pass that... which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Amend Rule 2223 (Win by Junta) by replacing: When a rule comes to state that one or more persons CAN cause it to make arbitrary rule changes by announcement, all those persons satisfy the Winning Condition of Dictatorship. with: Upon a win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-15 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: Amend Rule 2223 (Win by Junta) by replacing: When a rule comes to state that one or more persons CAN cause it to make arbitrary rule changes by announcement, all those persons satisfy the Winning Condition of Dictatorship. with: