Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: result TRUE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Oh, and just to note: The proof already exists. It simply requires time for me to make it public. I don't buy it. Provide an outline of the proof and I may change my mind.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1805: result TRUE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Nov 28, 2007 5:18 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BobTHJ wrote: Oh, and just to note: The proof already exists. It simply requires time for me to make it public. I don't buy it. Provide an outline of the proof and I may change my mind. Here'

DIS: Re: BUS: Hell, why not?

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Too late, I already assigned a judge (root). I would have given you more time, but CFJ 1810 came up and I wanted to get it processed promptly. (And I wanted to avoid out-of-sequence CFJ numbering.) I previously assumed that the retraction was successful, so the CotC database cur

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1799: result UNDECIDABLE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: nkep would be nonsensical even if it were a defined action either in the rules or a contract. These statements are not contradictory. Then in what way would the private whatever-it-is impact the appropriateness of judgement on either CFJ 1799 or CFJ 1805?

DIS: Re: BUS: Equity Case!

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I do hereby initiate an equity CFJ on the following: Murphy is in breach of our contract concerning marks by not sending me 1 blue mark and 1 black mark. Murphy and I are parties to the contract in question. For evidence of this contract, ask H. Notary Goethe. It's a fair cop.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1799: result UNDECIDABLE

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Beccause, nkep can be both nonsensical and an action at the same time. Just because it is nonsense doesn't mean it can't be an action (and therefore permissible). Nonsense. Stuff and. Caddy smelled like trees.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1804: assign Goethe

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: While I was temporarily unaware of UNAWARE, I still prefer EXCUSED as a precedent for this. If a Judge is aware of some contrary argument, e should still be ethically charged to "not avoid" making *what e believes in good faith* to be an appropriate judgement, even if e is aware

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scorekeepor result

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: The AFO claims a rule 2134 win. Might be invalid, because you misspelled "decrease" I tend to agree with the other two reasons that this will probably be shot down, but not this one; R754(1) applies, especially coming hot on the heels of your message.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: VC spending

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/28/07, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I spend 2 Green VCs to gain 200 Green Marks I don't think this works. Correct. Again, voluntary conversion is one-way in the Marks -> VCs direction.

Re: DIS: Proto: The Truthkeepor

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 10:20 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: The Truthkeepor is an office; Insert "low-priority". The inspiration for this was that it's getting to be difficult to remember what the self-ratification status is for each VC report, especially s

Re: DIS: Quality Judge Assignment (updated)

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 11:12 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In my estimation that deters from one of the strengths of this system. All Players (or all possible judicial panels) are qualified judges, even those who are second-class or not presently interested in judging. Will th

Re: DIS: Quality Judge Assignment (updated)

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: something like "... whose Quality for that case is not within 5 of the highest Quality for that case among those eligible to be judge". "... whose Quality for that case is at least 5 less than the Quality of another eligible judge". Eagerness is an integer index with a value fr

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1813-1814: assign Goethe

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Precedent is mixed on whether "spend 0 VCs" is an action (see CFJ 1444 vs. CFJ 1456). I also remember a stronger precedent with regard to fees that supports the caller's arguments, but I also haven't found it on a cursory look, may look deeper later. At this point, I do not rely

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5320-5334

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: 5334 D1 3Murphy Refactor co-authors AGAINST (doesn't fix co-authors against their will?) Feel free to propose adding something like "The author SHALL NOT specify a co-author unless a significant portion of the proposal accurately represents the co-author's input".

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5320-5334

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: 5320 O1 1pikhq Non-reporting Office Thanks to recent VVLOP increases, I vote FOR this twice more. This doesn't work. These increases will only affect your voting limit starting with proposals distributed next week.

DIS: Proto: Types of switches

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Types of switches (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2162 (Switches) by appending this text: A slider is a switch with an infinite number of possible values. A button is a switch with exactly two possible values. "To press an instance of a button" is to make it come

Re: DIS: Proto: Types of switches

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 5:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Proto-Proposal: Types of switches (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2162 (Switches) by appending this text: A slider is a switch with an infinite number of possible values. A button is a switch with e

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: pikhq's announcement was similar, but each action read "decreate" rather than "decrease". I argue that this difference is meaningless per Rule 754(i). Gratuituous arguments for 1814: More precisely, each action in pikhq's announcement read "decreate by 1" rather than "decrease by

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1806: assign Zefram

2007-11-29 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: (besides, such a claim would be bullshit: this isn't a question on a rule-defined action) I was actually going to CFJ with an argument that perhaps it was, except that it's moot due to the UNDECIDABLE vs. UNDETERMINED fix.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Response to 1806a

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Surprising no one, I intend (with the consent of fellow panelists Levi and pikhq) to cause the panel to publish the following: Better specify in the message body which appeal you're delivering that judgement in. Also, are you going to appeal 1807? You&#

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Response to 1806a

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Surprising no one, I intend (with the consent of fellow panelists Levi and pikhq) to cause the panel to publish the following: Better specify in the message body which appeal you're delivering that judgement in. I contend that this is sufficiently unambi

DIS: Re: BUS: AFO information request

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: As the AFO has identified itself as public, I hereby request a current membership list and text of the agreement. H. Notary Goethe. (If the AFO was not made public by its own internal consent, I request to be informed of that as well). This has multiple problems: 1) Proposal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1813-1814: assign Goethe

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: - First, "decreate" is (most likely accidentally) a word and concept useable for assets (i.e. "destroy"). This is ambiguous enough to invalidate this attempt (CFJ 1814). But the target of this verb is VLOP, which (as you mention in the next paragraph) isn't an asset. No

Re: DIS: How did OscarMeyr once win?

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: H. OscarMeyr, you're listed as winning twice, but the only record of a win from Murphy's AWJ archives is Champion's Contest 5/5/02... do you recall the other method? I vaguely remember you held a good card hand once. -Goethe E won via Three Trios on 2/6/05. I've updated the i

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] Amended Report

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: This is my current record of win methods, ones within my time are categorized between Murphy's posts and my memory. Comments (and categories for earlier eras?) -goethe See http://zenith.homelinux.net/winners/ particularly the nature of the wins on 10/08/97.

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] Amended Report

2007-11-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 11/30/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CARDS Goddess Eris CONTEST Goddess Eris I can't remember how I won these things. It's a bit like this old golden apple I have... I'll take that.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits, Voting Credits, and Marks Report

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Fri 23 Nov 23:04:30 Murphy -409b transfer to BobTHJ Fri 23 Nov 23:04:30 BobTHJ -409b transfer from Murphy CoE: there should be a "+" in the "transfer from" lines. Fixed in next draft. CoE: your VC event history doesn't list

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Digits are a currency that is owned by Players. There are ten types of Digits, represented by the numbers 0 through 9. All Digits of the same numerical value are fungible. The Banker is the recordkeeper of Digits. Omitting comments already covered by Zefram. "Digits are classes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits, Voting Credits, and Marks Report

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: CoE: your VC event history doesn't list me receiving a violet VC for Nine Months Long Service. What else have you missed? You've only been registered since 10 Jan 07. You've held Rulekeepor since 21 Mar 07, Er, where did my violet VC (l

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: After the last time you protoed this, I came up with the optimal expression for Expression Factories. Suppose you have two Digit Ranches, one generating 0 digits and one generating 1 digits. An Expression Factory with the expression 11 * (2 + 4X + 2Y + Z) will generate

DIS: Proto: Mark decay

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Mark decay (AI = 2, please) Amend the rule "Marks" by appending this text to the list of ways to gain and lose Marks: (-*) Two seconds before the end of each month, each entity loses eir holdings of each color of Mark, rounded down to the nearest mult

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deflate Blue Marks

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Are you *sure* you want to do that? We can get around it. . . Besides, it's only 32 VCs that I have. Just let marks decay into VCs, and the problem is basically solved (assuming that the anti-VC-decay proposal doesn't pass) Not very quickly. Ignoring other changes, it would take

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/1/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This will produce pairs of the same Digit. It might sometimes be useful to produce two different digits, but that's probably only slightly more complicated as well. For instance, with 0 and 1 inputs, 11 * (1 + 4X +

Re: DIS: Proto: Mark decay

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/1/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Proto-Proposal: Mark decay (AI = 2, please) Amend the rule "Marks" by appending this text to the list of ways to gain and lose Marks: (-*) Two seconds before the end of each month, each entity loses

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: You might want to dig through Pumpkin Patch Nomic's old rules on letter farms: http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/pumpkinpatch/EdRules.html Briefly, instead of Equation Factories, they had Word Machines: 1) A word machine is a list of words (in the OED) where each word consists o

Re: DIS: Proto: Mark decay

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: Of course, letting it occur platonically can lead to cascading reporting errors, but then that's why VCs are self-ratifying. Yes, and that's been working _so well_, too.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5335-5344

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: 5339 D0 2Murphy Andre's degree AGAINST [Suber's Rule 211 solves this paradox, contrary to the thesis' assertion that no change to the rules could deal with it effectively] Disagree. Suber's Rule 211 only addresses M-M and I-I conflicts. Andre's thesis examines the a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5335-5344

2007-12-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: 5343 O1 1Murphy Clarify win by voting power AGAINSTx7 (should remain tied to high level 683 voting power in general, not a specific mode of figuring out voting power). *ponders* Like this? Upon a correct announcement that a specified player's voting

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2007-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: Josiah Worcester wrote: If Agora's Child was not a player before, the AFO announces the following: Agora's Child registers as a player. I'm not sure this achieves anything. I believe to register as a player that player has to announce that they register. The AFO is able to co

DIS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2007-12-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Note: this ruleset currently shows rule histories as they would be if CFJ 1711 were TRUE. In fact CFJ 1711 is FALSE, so the affected rule histories are shown incorrectly. This will be corrected in a future edition. We've been waiting for this correction for over a month now. P

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Taral wrote: What are you smoking, Zefram? See my message before about M and N being arbitrary (different) digits. Your formula will accept digits M and N and output digits 2 to 9. Not so useful if M=3 and N=7: you have no way to get 0 and 1 digits. The complexity in my formula

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5335-5344

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Dec 1, 2007 11:35 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wooble wrote: 5339 D0 2Murphy Andre's degree AGAINST [Suber's Rule 211 solves this paradox, contrary to the thesis' assertion that no change to the rules could deal with it e

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1816-1817: assign root

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: I find that pikhq succeeded in creating several contracts that e deems to be dependent, but not in creating any contracts that are dependent as required by Rule 2136. I therefore find CFJ 1816 FALSE; it follows trivially that CFJ 1817 is FALSE as well. I thought the point of pikhq

DIS: Re: BUS: Countersuit!

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: You (the initiator) can't bar an extra person in a criminal case. As the barring would normally be an integral part of initiating the case, I'm not sure whether it's separable. Hence I'm not sure whether you've initiated a criminal case at all. Opinions? Rule 1504, relevant par

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1811

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: JOOI, are there any parties to the agreement in question other than pikhq and you? No.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1812a: assign Goddess Eris, Murphy, Wooble

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I don't. Wait for the proposal adding UNAWARE to pass *succesfully*. ;) And risk being dinged for late judgement? I think not.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5345-5352

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: 5348 D1 3Murphy Refactor regulation AGAINST. Same reasons I voted against all the other versions of this. What reasons are those, again? It's been long enough and busy enough that I've forgotten.

DIS: Proto: Fix revocation of judicial salary

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Fix revocation of judicial salary (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2126 (Voting Power) by replacing this text: (-B) A player who is recused from a judicial case with cause loses one Blue VC. A player who is the prior judge in an appeal case where a judgem

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1811

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, comex wrote: H. Notary Goethe, I formally request that you (per R2173) disclose to me the private contract in question's text and set of parties to the extent that you have been informed of it. The following was received by me: complete headers available if n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5345-5352

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Dec 4, 2007 10:23 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What reasons are those, again? It's been long enough and busy enough that I've forgotten. Regarding the first version, I said: Primarily because I don't think that impossible actions should nece

Re: DIS: Proto: Fix revocation of judicial salary

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: I think this was deliberate. If a judge judges GUILTY and delivers sentence, e gains 1 Blue and 1 Black. If the GUILTY is overturned, e only loses 1 Blue. That's wrong, whether it was deliberate or not.

Re: DIS: Proto: Fix revocation of judicial salary

2007-12-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/4/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eris wrote: I think this was deliberate. If a judge judges GUILTY and delivers sentence, e gains 1 Blue and 1 Black. If the GUILTY is overturned, e only loses 1 Blue. That's wrong, whether it was deliberate or not.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5345-5352

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On 12/5/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Create a rule with Power 3.1 and this text: Devil's advocate: If you achieve AI=3 you could just repeal the guardian rules. No, the guardian rules would block their own repeal.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5345-5352

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Proto: Make modifying information with a recordkeepor the only grounds for regulation; keep R1698. These two things by themselves are not enough. Imagine the following Terrible Proposal: Create a rule with Power 3.1 and this text: Rules CAN be changed by announcement, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5345-5352

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On 12/5/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Regulated actions external to the rules (e.g. sending messages) are ILLEGAL by default. Regulated actions defined by the rules (e.g. casting votes) are IMPOSSIBLE by default. This could make a bug in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5345-5352

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Dec 5, 2007 11:05 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, the guardian rules would block their own repeal. Only if the proposal repealing them violates their conditions. You could repeal the guardian rules in one proposal, then break the nomic in a second pr

DIS: Proto: Refactor regulation

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Refactor regulation (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 2125 (Regulation Regulations) to read: An action is regulated if and only if at least one of the following is true: (a) The rules state that it is IMPOSSIBLE, or POSSIBLE under limited circumstances

Re: DIS: Proto: Fix revocation of judicial salary

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: the prior judge loses one Blue VC, unless the prior question is on sentencing. It's deliberate that a judge whose sentence is overturned loses a different colour of VC from the one that e gained. It makes black VCs more interesting.

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: All Crops of the same numerical value are fungible. This is already part of the general definition of currencies. A player CAN Mill a given number by spending a Crop of the corresponding type for each digit in that number's canonical decimal representation.. A player CANNOT Mil

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: w00ts.

2007-12-05 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: The AFO and I amend our contract, so that clause 5 reads: 5) If the AFO does not have 14 blue VCs to give to pikhq, it shall, whenever it has 2 blue VCs, spend them to give pikhq 1 VC, until pikhq has recieved 14 blue VCs by this method. This still doesn't turn itself off after

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1813-1814: assign Goethe

2007-12-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: In CFJ 1813, Goethe argued that VVLOP is defined as a "parameter", implicitly treated as a number, but could also be interpreted as a set of numbers (added up whenever the value of VVLOP is queried). Nice one, completely

Re: DIS: Precedent question

2007-12-06 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: #1 seems the most logical, and yet it makes a valid case for the elimination of stare decisis. Who wants to review the past X years of case history to determine if a fragment of a judgment somewhere might have bearing on a present-day situation? There should be some sort of expirat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agora's Toy

2007-12-07 Thread Ed Murphy
avpx wrote: I object. NttPF.

DIS: Proto: Structured victory

2007-12-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Structured victory (AI = 3, please) Create a rule titled "Victory" with Power 2 and this text: When one or more persons satisfy at least one Winning Condition and do not satisfy any Losing Conditions, those persons win the game. Winning Conditions and Losing

Re: DIS: IADOP is slacking. . .

2007-12-07 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: The IADOP's report is a *weekly* report. . . And I see monthly reports from it. Rule 2160.

Re: DIS: Proto: Structured victory

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/7/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Trigger: A judicial finding that the possibility or legality of an action (actual or hypothetical, but not arising from that case itself) is UNDECIDABLE. Not strong enough. Needs to be rest

DIS: Re: BUS: Return of Titles

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: "Return of Titles" DO NOT WANT

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Return of Titles

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Saturday 08 December 2007 12:27:56 Ed Murphy wrote: pikhq wrote: "Return of Titles" DO NOT WANT Why not? Too much pointlessness, H. Samurai Murphy? Pretty much. Then again, that's probably the same attitude that keeps getting The Republic of Agor

DIS: [Fwd: Re: [s-d] [s-b] Accessorizing]

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
TTttCN Original Message Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:28:17 -0800 From: Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [s-d] [s-b] Accessorizing pikhq wrote: I create the following agreement: [snip] 7) A Jester's Cap may be put on or taken off.

Re: DIS: [Fwd: Re: [s-d] [s-b] Accessorizing]

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: 7) A Jester's Cap may be put on or taken off. So much for the precedent of CFJ 1628. The precedent of CFJ *1629* already went away. Consider the Elephant Contract. ;) I'd suggest going for the trifecta and mooting 1630, but I'm not sure that we really want to bring back Insane

DIS: Re: BUS: We're all Mad!

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Madness is a switch, "a person switch" The Mental Health Department's report must include the persons who are Mad that e can reasonably be aware of; due to the inconclusiveness of Early Agoran History, not all persons who have earned Madness need be included. Actua

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A very merry unbirthday to you

2007-12-08 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Amusing. I suspect this will only last a year, but you never know with us. After all, this *is* the only Nomic that has lasted longer than some governments. ;) Marks may go away, but hopefully the definition of the unbirthday itself will stick around. January 12 and 14 are impor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A very merry unbirthday to you

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Marks may go away, but hopefully the definition of the unbirthday itself will stick around. January 12 and 14 are important dates to me. :) Why's that? Anniversary and younger son's birthday.

Re: DIS: System of currency?

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: Just for comparison, here's the mailing list archive sizes for November in the last few years for business and discussion: Month/yearBusinessDiscussion Nov 200478 kB34 kB Nov 200510 kB1 kB Nov 200638 kB28 kB Nov 2007670 kB

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [s-b] Accessorizing

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Saturday 08 December 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: 7) A Jester's Cap may be put on or taken off. Position is a Jester's Cap switch, tracked by pikhq... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to amend AFO charter

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: I intend, with the consent of all other partners, to amend the AFO charter by replacing clause 3 with this text: 3. The AFO may incur obligations, rights, and privileges under the rules of other nomics. The Partners may act on behalf of the AFO to satisfy such obligations and to exerc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Countersuit!

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: Barring isn't described at all, so I think it's like anything else that might be slipped in between things and ineffective, so separable. On reflection, I think it is separable in this case, because you stated it as a separate sentence rather than as an integr

DIS: Re: OFF: [CFJ 1825]

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Most Honorable Champions Murphy and Levi, I invite you to submit arguments about the equitability of this state of events. The pretrial phase ends in one week, or whenever both parties announce the intent to end the pretrial phase. I no longer have the Green Mark. (I transferre

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CFJ 1825]

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: I also note that the judgement comes into effect as a binding agreement, but, by Rule 101, it can't be forced upon someone, so what if Murphy refused to become a party to the judgement agreement? Is that possible? I'm pretty sure that intent to have the contract governed by the ru

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CFJ 1825]

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I note that this does not fulfill that obligation; the agreement does not come into effect for a week. Does "previous" refer to the time the agreement was published, or the time it goes into effect? Oh well, I'll transfer another Orange Mark next week just to be safe.

DIS: Proto: Depth

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Depth (AI = 2, please) [Revisiting an old concept] Create a rule titled "Depth" with this text: Each proposal in the Proposal Pool has a Depth, a non-negative integer, initially equal to its interest index. At the beginning of each week, the Depth of each pro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Elephants & Hats

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: Gotcha. The nomic where I come from transmuted the 25-rule limit on mutable rules, so we consider it bad to have rules of pure silliness. Which nomic would that be?

Re: DIS: Proto: Wagering

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: A Wager MAY be offered by any player by announcement. To be a valid the Wager announcement MUST contain the following: "A Wager is an announcement specifying the following:" (a) A statement that is, or will become, true or false, (b) The number a

Re: DIS: Proto: Wagering

2007-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 12:18 AM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: On Sunday 09 December 2007 22:08:05 Ed Murphy wrote: > Of course, all of this could be done anyway by offering to agree to an > appropriate

Re: DIS: Proto: Digits

2007-12-10 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: If it is currently a holiday, any player CAN Mill the date to gain X magenta marks, where X is equal to the number of times any player has previously gained marks in this way on that date in the same year plus one. The point of holidays is to minimize the disadvantage of players

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831: assign Goethe

2007-12-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: The SUPPORT/OBJECT method, despite being a "ballot", is not so much a legislative vote as it is a committee procedure ("It has been moved and seconded, are there any opposed?"). Really, they shouldn't be Agoran Decisions at all, that was misguided generalization. Actually, they

DIS: Proto: Music

2007-12-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-proto: Music Tones are a family of currencies. Enharmonics are either equivalent or cheap to convert. [How would they be acquired?] Simple Tones can be combined into Complex Tones (e.g. chords, scales). Durations are a family of currencies. Durations (including rests) and Tones can be

DIS: Re: BUS: A Message from B Nomic

2007-12-10 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: As Agoran Ambassador and Self-Proclaimed Agoran Spy, I feel it is my duty to transmit the following message from B Nomic: jt jo b Tubuf pg Fnfshfodz! Buubdl opx! Uijt nfttbhf xbt cspvhiu up zpv cz Bncbttbeps Iptf. That will be all. "These people are crazy. All of this is cr

DIS: Round 255

2007-12-11 Thread Ed Murphy
In case anyone missed it (it was in the middle of processing some improvements to the Regular Ordinances), the theme of Round 255 of the Fantasy Rules Committee is "0xFF". As usual, the round will begin when the first fantasy rule (valid or not) is posted. Players of Agora can score points towar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest, take three

2007-12-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: I join the above contest. NttPF (not to the Public Forum), hence ineffective.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf, Hole #1

2007-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: I didn't try to figure out how to actually go about computing primes; how to do any sort of useful conditional statements was beyond me (since submitting my program I read up a bit on brainfuck algorithms and should probably be better equipped for the next task, but it would have f

DIS: ParaNomic XP (proto-initial rules)

2007-12-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Would anyone be interested in starting a new game using the rules below? Are there any problems that would kill it before it started? Rule 101/0 A citizen shall not commit treason (disobey the rules). Rule 102/0 (Blue) At the moment the game starts, the rules consist of Rules 101

DIS: ParaNomic XP begins

2007-12-13 Thread Ed Murphy
I hereby initiate the game of ParaNomic XP, choosing the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the initial public forum, and the following set of rules as the initial set of rules. == Rules == Rule 1-0/0: Bootstrapping the rules (Ultraviolet) The initial set of rules is the set chosen by The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5358-5372

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: But I seem to be in the minority with this opinion... I suppose you could argue that the only advantages partnerships ought to have are those that occur only when the members are in agreement, such as being able to more efficiently spend VCs. Hmm... Requiring even passive agree

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/14/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 7. Any player may join the Vote Market by announcement. Upon joining the Vote Market, 50 VP are created in the possession of that player. First class? A partnership could welsh on an agreement by dissolving, but only if someone

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Friday 14 December 2007, Roger Hicks wrote: The party who posted the Sell Ticket is then OBLIGATED to cast all eir votes on that decision in the same manner as specified by the party who filled the Sell Ticket, but only if the voting period on that decision does not end within t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/14/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eris wrote: On 12/14/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 7. Any player may join the Vote Market by announcement. Upon joining the Vote Market, 50 VP are created in the possession of that player. Fir

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5358-5372

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: The advantage to being a party to a contract is the security granted by that contract. I've never supported granting players extra rights just for making contracts, which is effectively what partnerships do. What was/is your take on Groups?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5358-5372

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Friday 14 December 2007 20:36:19 comex wrote: On Friday 14 December 2007, Josiah Worcester wrote: Do you even pay *attention* to the weekly report on VVLOPs? At the top of the message I gave the AFO a VVLOP. I suppose overvoting is annoying; I might need to get out of the hab

Re: DIS: Proto-thesis: Agoran-style Initial Ruleset

2007-12-16 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: An action is regulated if: 1) The actions prohibited. s/actions/action is/ 2) The rules state that a player is permitted to perform some action if certain conditions are met s/some action/the action/ 3) The action would, as part of its effect, modify information f

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