Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:21:19 -0700 (PDT) > Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) >>> Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006,

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) > > Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 28 Jul 20

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) > Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:20:57 -0400 >>> Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38

[Alsa-user] No master channel in alsamixer

2006-07-28 Thread james nagy
When I bring up alsamixer there is no master option so I cannot unmute the master channel. I think this is the reason whyI cannot hear sound.Mplayer seems to play a file with alsa but no sound is coming out of the card. Alsamixer starts with headphone as the first oprion (no master): Headphone,PCM,

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:20:57 -0400 > > Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > >>> My logic is si

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:20:57 -0400 > Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: >>> My logic is simple: >>> >>> * if you are saying that a feature is supported, this means you've >>> tested it

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 01:11 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > You don't seem to understand that some end ALSA users have exactly > the same HW as the one used by ALSA developers to develop the driver. > > Having the controls of tested features written down would really help > such ALSA users. > A

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:52:08 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:47 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > It should be 'why', not 'what' in "what the controls for each tested > > feature ...". > > You don't seem to understand that vendors can customize the hardware

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:54 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Then what was exactly the report claiming that M-Audio Revolution 5.1 > indeed worked ? > > Where can end users find in order to read it ans assess its > credibility ? > > That is, to see whether the end user indeed checked the featured

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:47:37 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > Do you, the developers, test the card before announcing it as > > supported ? > > > > No, the ALSA developers rely on feedback from users to determine what is

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:47 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > It should be 'why', not 'what' in "what the controls for each tested > feature ...". You don't seem to understand that vendors can customize the hardware such that the same mixer controls do different things on different devices. The on

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Do you, the developers, test the card before announcing it as > supported ? > No, the ALSA developers rely on feedback from users to determine what is supported. The ALSA developers only have access to a small fraction of the supported

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:38:03 +0300 Sergei Steshenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:20:57 -0400 > Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > My logic is simple: > > > > > > * if you are saying that a feature is

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:20:57 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > My logic is simple: > > > > * if you are saying that a feature is supported, this means you've > > tested it - otherwise you are simply irresponsible. > > Yo

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:10:36 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:03 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > Did you help the guy with M-Audio Revolution 5.1 ? > > > > I DID tell him everything I knew based on my M-Audio Revolution 7.1, > > but, apparently, the cards

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > My logic is simple: > > * if you are saying that a feature is supported, this means you've > tested it - otherwise you are simply irresponsible. You're assuming that ALSA developers have access to every sound card that ALSA supports wh

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 00:03 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Did you help the guy with M-Audio Revolution 5.1 ? > > I DID tell him everything I knew based on my M-Audio Revolution 7.1, > but, apparently, the cards are different. > > Are you satisfied that yet another ALSA end user stepped on the

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:49:16 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > What I know, is that when I bought M-Audio Revoluion 7.1 - fully > > supported > > by ALSA, I couldn't make "capture loopback" work - documentation said > > not

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 23:38 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > What I know, is that when I bought M-Audio Revoluion 7.1 - fully > supported > by ALSA, I couldn't make "capture loopback" work - documentation said > nothing > on it. Blah blah blah, same old inflammatory complaints, no offer to help..

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:07:51 -0400 > > Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:47 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > >>> Yes, I talk about

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 22:03 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > Look, after more than a year you added a phrase about no need of > .asoundrc. Um... this is documented all over the place. The page that I added it to is not even maintained by the ALSA team. And I am NOT an "ALSA developer". If you

[Alsa-user] No /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss (mmap'ing OSS app)

2006-07-28 Thread Matthias Czapla
Hi! I'm running Debian 3.0 "Sarge" with Linux 2.6.17.6 on a Nforce4 motherboard with integrated sound. So I'm using the snd-intel8x0 ALSA driver which is working fine otherwise. But sound isn't working in the game Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, only the infamous error: --- sound initializat

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Bill Unruh
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:07:51 -0400 > Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:47 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: >>> Yes, I talk about useability which just sucks. I imagine a more clear >>> frontend/backend infrastructure, an ul

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:52:55 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 21:48 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > If you, the developers, have already written the driver and know > > how it works, what hardware specs do you need ? > > > > It's the documentation issue and/o

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 21:48 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > If you, the developers, have already written the driver and know > how it works, what hardware specs do you need ? > > It's the documentation issue and/or HAL issue. The guy expresses my > thoughts very well. > > I'm glad yet another en

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:07:51 -0400 Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:47 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > Yes, I talk about useability which just sucks. I imagine a more clear > > frontend/backend infrastructure, an ultimate solution: > > > > - access to all backend s

Re: [Alsa-user] How to change channel names on Audigy?

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 20:21 +0200, Lukas Zapletal wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to change my channel names. My mixers (gnome-mixer, > alsamixergui) doesnt separate input and output channels and I have to > guess which "Microphone" is the recording channel and which > "Microphone" is the recordi

[Alsa-user] How to change channel names on Audigy?

2006-07-28 Thread Lukas Zapletal
Hello, I would like to change my channel names. My mixers (gnome-mixer, alsamixergui) doesnt separate input and output channels and I have to guess which "Microphone" is the recording channel and which "Microphone" is the recording playback volume. Same with Aux-Aux, Aux 2-Aux2 etc. on my Audigy.

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:47 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Could I get a copy of that patch? > Check the alsa-devel archive. > Honnestly, the current set of mixer controls is cumbersome. $user can > hardly understand what all the controls are good for, and mixer > software is not user-friendly eit

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:47 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > Yes, I talk about useability which just sucks. I imagine a more clear > frontend/backend infrastructure, an ultimate solution: > > - access to all backend settings is exported with consistent, fixed > names >(keywords) > - a wrapper in

Re: [Alsa-user] snd-dummy sound driver

2006-07-28 Thread csarid
Bill,   Thanks very much for all your suggestions. I think at this point, I'm going with a system that has a 2.6 kernel in which all of this is working fine. I have to devide-n-conquer and  moving to the 2.6 kernel solved the problem.   Thanks again for all your help!Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Alsa-user] snd-dummy sound driver

2006-07-28 Thread Bill Unruh
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, csarid wrote: > Should I just install the driver only or should I install any of the other > stuff at the site -- such as OSS lib etc.. Thanks! > Install them all. Especially alsa-lib. This is weird-- this is the third time I have seen this post. Is there something at the a

Re: [Alsa-user] Install ALSA on 2.6.17 kernel

2006-07-28 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Daniel Kraft wrote: > No sound at all, although I get some entries in the "ALSA devices" (or > so) list printed on kernel startup. Install alsa-utils and set the mixer levels with alsamixer. The default is muted because this setting is guaranteed not to blow up the speakers. There should be som

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Arthur Marsh
Eduard Bloch wrote: ... > > Honnestly, the current set of mixer controls is cumbersome. $user can > hardly understand what all the controls are good for, and mixer software > is not user-friendly either. The Live! mixer from Creative gives you a > "joystick" control where you can move the marker a

Re: [Alsa-user] snd-dummy sound driver

2006-07-28 Thread csarid
Should I just install the driver only or should I install any of the other stuff at the site -- such as OSS lib etc.. Thanks!Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, csarid wrote:> Bill,>> Thanks for the suggestions. I did look and search through the /lib/modules directory and th

Re: [Alsa-user] Inconsistent mixer controls (SB Live!, Surround speakers)

2006-07-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Takashi Iwai [Thu, Jul 27 2006, 01:12:34PM]: > At Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:40:12 -0400, > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 20:30 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I try to make my 5.1 speaker set work properly on an SB Live! Player > > > with Alsa from kern