Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-10 Thread Robert McGwier
Bwahahaha On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:52 PM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote: > > ... puppeteer drive in my star ship in a few years > > Unfortunately, the Inter-Galactic Traffic in Arms Regulations will > prevent us from talking about this! ;-) > > -- > 73 de JoAnne K9JKM > k9...@amsat.org > > > __

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-06 Thread JoAnne Maenpaa
> ... puppeteer drive in my star ship in a few years Unfortunately, the Inter-Galactic Traffic in Arms Regulations will prevent us from talking about this! ;-) -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9...@amsat.org ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-06 Thread Robert McGwier
Haha! I am sure you and everyone else is right but I really want the puppeteer drive in my star ship in a few years! Bob On Aug 5, 2014 1:09 PM, "Martin Davidoff" wrote: > Our friends in DL have the perfect word for this: Wunschdenken (wishful > thinking about an impossibility). > > It may be t

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-06 Thread Lizeth Norman
It's either fodder for the conspiracy theorists or it'll win a Noble prize. On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Mike Lemons wrote: > It doesn't violate any laws of physics if you are expending power from > photovoltaics to propel your spacecraft. > > For example, you could push against the Earth's

[amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-06 Thread Mike Lemons
It doesn't violate any laws of physics if you are expending power from photovoltaics to propel your spacecraft. For example, you could push against the Earth's magnetic field to get a satellite into a higher orbit. This article seems to confirm this model, although they don't know what they

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-05 Thread Arthur Feller
Hi, Marty!! Suggest sticking to the Annals of Improbable Research (AIR). See: http://www.improbable.com. It’s all real, vetted, and celebrated by awarding of the IgNobel prizes every year. This year will be the 24th First Annual IgNobel Prize Ceremony and Lectures, See your AIRheads in acti

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-05 Thread Martin Davidoff
Our friends in DL have the perfect word for this: Wunschdenken (wishful thinking about an impossibility). It may be time to start some new scientific/engineering publications -- The Journal of Premature Publication; The Journal of Retractions and Corrections. k2ubc On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:56

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-05 Thread Alan
Non-Newtonian reactionless drives have been a staple in science fiction, and the goal to make space travel truly practical. Probably the most famous was the "Dean Drive" which was a purely mechanical attempt. The thrust claimed has always turned out to be some quirk, usually obvious after the

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-05 Thread M5AKA
Snake oil in space On Tuesday, 5 August 2014, 0:43, Franklin Antonio wrote: At 03:54 PM 8/4/2014, Robert McGwier wrote: >I hope they aren't wrong because they clearly don't understand how it >works!!!  http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052 The result is surely wrong. When measuri

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-04 Thread Franklin Antonio
At 03:54 PM 8/4/2014, Robert McGwier wrote: I hope they aren't wrong because they clearly don't understand how it works!!! http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052 The result is surely wrong. When measuring MICROnewtons, from a device that's going to be getting very hot (because the mic

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-04 Thread Greg D
How can you tell? They've got enough 10-gallon words in the Abstract to propel mountains... Still, I've been wondering if we'll ever find a space propulsion mechanism that doesn't involve throwing parts of the spacecraft overboard. Greg KO6TH Robert McGwier wrote: I hope they aren't wron

Re: [amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-04 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
This part made me perk up: "therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma" I clearly have some reading to do. 73, Drew KO4MA -Original Message- >From: Robert McGwier >Sent: Aug 4, 2014 6:54 PM >To: amsat bb >

[amsat-bb] NO EJECTION MASS Propulsion

2014-08-04 Thread Robert McGwier
I hope they aren't wrong because they clearly don't understand how it works!!! http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052 Bob N4HY -- Bob McGwier Co-Owner and Technical Director, Federated Wireless, LLC Professor Virginia Tech Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY Faculty Adviso