[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-16 Thread i8cvs
Hi Phil, KA9Q Since modern VHF/UHF receivers do not supply AGC switching ON/OFF I use and old HF Drake R-4C receiver tuned from 28 to 30 MHz with a 144/146 MHz receiving converter in front of it having a 28/30 MHz IF In general the old HF receivers supply AGC slow-medium-fast and OFF The above s

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread Mark L. Hammond
Hi Phil, This is a great reminder. Thus far, my data has been collected with the TS-2000x using a "mid" setting for AGC; and with the HDSDR software set to "AGC Med" when using/playing back Funcube Dongle data. I've set both to OFF now, since it's possible I wonder if anybody has experimen

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread Alan Cresswell
@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mark L. Hammond Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 20:36 To: Phil Karn; Amsat - BBs Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000 Hi Phil, This is a great reminder. Thus far, my data has been collected with the TS-2000x using a "m

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/17/11 1:36 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote: > In any event, Phil...THANK YOU for making this code real. I have > seen it print data when the signal was visibly "in the dirt" which is > impressive and fun to see. You're most welcome. It was a lot of work mainly because there were so many options i

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread N0JY
I have no option to turn off AGC with the FT-736R. I had been running on the Medium setting (my default) and have switched to Slow now. I'm not sure to say because it's rather subjective just watching, but I think it has slightly improved capture especially at AOS and LOS as well as when I ha

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/17/11 4:24 PM, Alan Cresswell wrote: > That's interesting. I have collected all my passes on the TS2000 with the > AGC on and set to the longest setting. This is mainly because I often > record the signal level every 0.5 seconds during a pass which requires the > AGC to be on and the longes

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Bob Bruninga
[Using attitude control]... > We could mount microwave antennas on a nadir-facing > surface and provide consistent, predictable, strong, > wideband signals to ground stations during a pass. The problem with LEO satellites is that a nadir facing antenna does give great gain directly overhead gro

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
>From what I have read that is published, the DOD Colony II 3u cubesats are 3 >axis controlled and pointable to within a degree or something close to that. >As Bob pointed out this isn't a big help for antenna pointing for multiuser >LEO sats, but when you read the power production the Colony II

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Trevor .
--- On Thu, 18/8/11, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: > published, the DOD Colony II 3u cubesats are 3 axis > controlled and pointable to within a degree or something > close to that. UK company Clyde Space also doing work in this area, see CubeSat High Resolution Camera http://www.southgatearc.org/

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Andre v Schaijk
Op 18-8-2011 16:08, Andrew Glasbrenner schreef: > From what I have read that is published, the DOD Colony II 3u cubesats are 3 axis controlled and pointable to within a degree or something close to that. As Bob pointed out this isn't a big help for antenna pointing for multiuser LEO sats, but

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread JoAnne Maenpaa
Hello Andre, > Has anyone ever considered piggybacking on a geosat in a simular > way the rs11 to 13 did? > Sure you would need a very good lobbyist to get a ride with a multi > milion dollar broadcast sat and it would only see one continent but it > will give that continent 24/7 coverage, usin

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 5:47 AM, Bob Bruninga wrote: > The problem with LEO satellites is that a nadir facing antenna does give > great gain directly overhead ground stations, but only for about the center > 2 minutes of only the one direct overhead pass a day. The problem with > facing antennas "down" on a L

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 11:03 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote: > Yeah, we still have dreams! At various times it had been called AMSAT-Eagle, > Phase IV Lite, C-C Rider, and other things. You'll notice from the dates on > these papers how long we've had this dream of a millions dollar rideshare > with a millions doll

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Dave Guimont
You don't have to use a narrow beam antenna with maximum gain on axis. You can always design it with a bowl-shaped pattern that increases gain toward the edges and lowers it in the middle. That's why the quadrifilars work so well. I measured the pattern some time back, and the "beam width" i

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 10:31 PM, Dave Guimont wrote: > That's why the quadrifilars work so well. I measured the pattern some > time back, and the "beam width" is about 140 degrees Yes, something with that kind of beamwidth would be ideal on the nadir-facing surface of a stabilized satellite in low earth

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Dave Guimont
You don't have to use a narrow beam antenna with maximum gain on axis. You can always design it with a bowl-shaped pattern that increases gain toward the edges and lowers it in the middle. That's why the quadrifilars work so well. I measured the pattern some time back, and the "beam width" i

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-19 Thread i8cvs
° elevation and -3 dBi overhead at 90° elevation. 73" de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: "Dave Guimont" To: "Phil Karn" ; "Bob Bruninga" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:31 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000 >

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-19 Thread Gregg Wonderly
On 8/18/2011 10:38 PM, Phil Karn wrote: On 8/18/11 11:03 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote: Yeah, we still have dreams! At various times it had been called AMSAT-Eagle, Phase IV Lite, C-C Rider, and other things. You'll notice from the dates on these papers how long we've had this dream of a millions

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-19 Thread JoAnne Maenpaa
> What kind of digital are you suggesting? Voice and data both? The Eagle project at one point proposed an AMSAT Advanced Communications Package (ACP) microwave, digital-uplink (5650 MHz) and digital downlink (3400 MHz). Realizing that microwave earth station design is beyond the scope of most h

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-19 Thread Art McBride
axial wavelengths. Art, KC6UQH -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Phil Karn Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:44 PM To: Dave Guimont Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000 On 8

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-19 Thread Dave Guimont
For additional information read http://www.w2du.com/r2ch22.pdf and look at Fig 22-7 page 10 of 20 Radiation Pattern of the 1 1/2 turn 1,25 wavelenght Quadrifilar Antennas. Tnx, Dom for that info. I received a number of requests for quadfilar information, again. Goto http://cid-1973adc8c1

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-19 Thread i8cvs
- Original Message - From: i8cvs To: Dave Guimont Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000 Hi Dave, WB6LLO Please look also at my article "Experimental Investigation of 2400 MHz Quadrifilar

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/19/11 7:51 AM, Gregg Wonderly wrote: > What kind of digital are you suggesting? Voice and data both? A > digital path from anywhere on the planet to the appropriate ground > station is easily doable with some "documentation" of the ground stations. Digital voice would be the easiest to sup

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-22 Thread Gregg Wonderly
What kind of codec makes the most sense to you? We have things like D-Star that have existing hardware (the codec exists and is documented). Many really seem to find it unusable since they have to pay for it. I find it odd that their time to reinvent the wheel is somehow free. Are there any

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000 (aiming your satellite)

2011-08-19 Thread JoAnne Maenpaa
> fact that none of these piggyback payloads have ever come > to fruition, Yeah, it brings us back to the original question about "why don't you guys propose a satellite that hooks on a bigger satellite?" ... we can't say we haven't tried ... Synchronous Amateur Radio Transponder (SYNCART) was a